Shad-ashtaka = shad-ashtaka 6-8 angles
6th-from:Exploitation, Disagreement, and Toxicity
8th-from:Shocking Change, Destruction, and Sudden Rebirth
two energies working at cross-purposes
Difficulties of transitioning between the domains which lie shad-ashtaka 6-8 fromeach other:
Generally, the mind of the ignorant, inflamed with anger with reference to an object, gets all the more inflamed with its mention.
~~ Jataka Mala, 15
Agents and Environments of the satkona:
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exploiters and exploited; criminals and victims of crime; cheaters and cheating
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the out-of-contract, the betrayed, the untrusted, the disenfranchised, the prostituted
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the illegal, illicit, ill-suited, ill-matched, ill-disposed
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physicians and the diseased; polluters and the polluted
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jealousy, gluttony, larceny, thievery, usury, poverty,
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accusers and complainers; litigators and prosecutors
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agents of war and instigators of social conflict
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the mother's relatives; servants and servitude; ministries of service
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military - medicine - misery - mistreatment - ministry
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6th-from indicates
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a scarcity of supporting resources due to imbalanced contracts. Someone else has too much; the native has too little. Scarcity-thinking is type of mentality. Mentality is ruled by Budha.
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6th-from angles trigger the scripts that generate victimization and conflict
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6th-fromangles indicate servitude caused by past-life theft or harm to another.
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In the current life, Imbalances of the 6th-angle suggest that for karmic reasons the script requires one to enter inequitable relationships wherein one gives more than one receives
In particular, 6th-from angles require karmic engagement with poverty, exploitation, forced labor, hatred, and disease.
The typical outcome of any 6/8 stress-angle = either physical or mental illness induced from the interior narrative of conflict between the agencies of the bhava = 6 versus the bhava = 8.
Negotiating periods of 6th-from requires conscious allocation of scarce resources.The "resources" may be very basic food-clothing-shelter; the resources may also be emotional such as touch, support, commitment to a shared future; the resources may even be spiritual, such as a punitive teacher who may withhold information needed for one to progress upon the spiritual path.
On the social level, one is forced into an inferior position in relationships, and denied validationof equality.
On the emotional level, expect to enter and endure exploitive relationships, where one person is withholding resources from the other. In general a very difficult time.
8th-from= sudden transformationfrom one field of perception to the next. Forceful movement is a strength of Mangala.
8th-from anglestrigger fear of the unknownand t rauma
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Transitioning 8th-from requires cooperation with the tantrik force of consciousnessthat pushes one violently into the next field of perceptual awareness.
In particular, 8th-from angles require engagement with thecircumstances of death.
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Starting Domain |
Relative 6th house Causes inner arguingand Outer imbalancevis-à-vis the starting house. Planets 6th-from-starting domain create exploitation, conflict, and loss of agreement toward matters of the original domain |
Relative 8th house Causes a crisis of sudden, forced changesvis-à-vis the starting house. Planets 8th-from-starting domain transform, destroy, and rebirth the matters of the starting domain. (half-cycle destroys; full-cycle transforms) |
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physical identity / material body /Visual appearance |
Bhava 6 - imbalance /shortages / enemies/ disease there is a natural animositybetween the healthy material bodyand disease. The individual's body's need for balanced food and support naturally conflicts with the victim reality (6) of socially restricted access to food, medicine, and money. erosion of trust due to "bad advice" (12th from 7th) about health and harmony in life (7). Any graha in 6 shows agent of the bad advice. E.g., Chandra in 6 = mother gives incorrect health advice, Surya in 6 same for father; Mangala = brother or fellow soldier provides addictive drugs; Guru = a priest or preacher who advises overindulgence that throws off the inner balance. |
Bhava 8 - secrets/ healing/ magic there is a natural required transformationof the surface physical-identity when magical powers are activated through house-8. Identity is destroyed when we discover that bodies are mere "guest houses" for an eternal migrating spirit. |
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Lagnesha
in 1
positively identified with vitality
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Sick people and the chronically poor with their narrative of weakness and insufficiency will annoy this native, who may struggle to mask frustration and indeed contempt for the victim mind. | |
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Sustenance / values / food / wealth / birth family |
6th-from-2nd = Bhava 7 marriage/agreements there is a natural animosity between birth family and spouse, between the ancestral family values and the worldview of someone not from that family - the spouse. The two domains compete for resources. erosion of trust due to "bad advice" (6th = 12th from 7th) about matters of 2: language, history, face-eyes-teeth-mouth, food, song and speech, memory, and conservation behaviors -- most commonly, saving money (2). Agency of the wrong advice = indicated by any graha in 7. For example, Budha in 7 may indicate that younger siblings or co-workers may be a source of wrong advice about conservation behaviors, money savings, or even referrals to a dentist (teeth) is Budha occupies an unfavorable rashi. Bhava-7 is normally a location for equitable advising and counseling but one exception is due to its location in 6th from 2nd, counsel arising for agents in 7 may be financially disreputable or misleading due to an unrecognized underlying animosity.
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8th-from-2nd = Bhava 9 father/religion/ social morality there is a natural required transformation of family lineage values, especially the tradition of hoarding wealth, at the higher level of public religion. As demonstrated by Christ overturning the money tables at the temple! |
Lagnesha
in 2
positively identified with treasuries of stories, histories, wealth, language, and knowledge |
Lagnesha in 2 often means strongest social identification with one's second marriage or alliance; however one may just as easily be identified with one's knowledge of history or languages. Naturally therefore one's own first marriage and the previous spouse of one's partner can become the objects of derision or contempt. Financial loss from divorce payments adds to the irritation.
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siblings / teamwork / Local group / mental process |
6th-from-3rd = Bhava 8 secrets/healing/magic there is a natural animosity between communicative, rational small group/team process and secret, privileged, magical knowledge. Mistrust and fear exists in the 6th-from gap between those who communicate normally, and those who use magical powers. erosion of trust due to "bad advice" (6th = 12th from 7th) about siblings, team-workers, neighbors, self-owned business (3). Agency of the wrong advice = indicated by any graha in 8. For example, Shukra in 8 for a male would suggest that the wife may be a source of incorrect or unbalanced argument in matters of siblings, work-mates, sports teams, group meetings, or short-term travel. The wife would also be the natural target of inimical energy emanating from the younger sibling. |
8th-from-3rd =Bhava 10 profession/dignity there is a natural required transformation of local, sibling-type, extension-of-family communications into a much broader viewpoint, when the native undertakes public leadership. The neighborly circle of associations operates on common assumptions that break down at a higher level. |
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Lagnesha
in 3
positively identified with commercial business |
Nativities that feature lagnesha in 3 often in adulthood
develop an adversarial relationship to the marital
in-laws. The family of the partner esp. the partner's
siblings (Mangala, natural regulator of 8) become anathema to
the native . 3-8 is a very difficult angle. the native as 3 is highly mentalized, commercially identified, finds oneself important in areas of business administration, analysis, and planning. The partner's family may seem pretentious and incapable to the native , inferior (6) in their business abilities, and also prone to endless pointless cyclical (8) arguing (6) which never resolves. If competitive Mangala is placed in 3 or 8 with strength, mutual contempt between the native and the in-laws can be fierce. |
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home / foundations / education / security |
6th-from-4th = Bhava 9 father/religion there is a natural animosity between the ritual space of home or Low Religion, versus the ritual space of the temple or High Religion. There are important spirits protecting or harassing both locations which must be tended. But parochial and universal domains always compete for attention and resources. Mother's domain and father's domain are naturally incommensurable, and imbalanced. |
8th-from-4th = Bhava 11 marketplace/networks there is a natural required transformation of the private, home-bound behaviors and assumptions when the native enters the much broader socio-cultural domain of the public marketplace. To make profitable exchanges of goods and information, the native must "grow out of" their maternal comfort zone, and learn to adapt to the culture of adult friends and business associates. |
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Lagnesha
in 4
positively identified with school-teaching, parenting, house and home, emotional security |
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children / willfulness / Gambling / Games / celebration / fame |
6th-from-5th = Bhava 10 profession/dignity there is a natural imbalance and animosity between personal creativity and the conservative rules of public dignity; between free-wheeling celebrity and public responsibility; between individual publications and daily administration; between children and career. |
8th-from-5th = Bhava 12 dreams/meditation/ sanctuary there is a natural required transformation of the ego-expressive personality (5) when ego-dissolving meditation is activated through house-12. Celebrity is destroyed when we discover that egos are mere "scaffolding" for the wisdom-edifice of an eternal migrating spirit. |
Lagnesha
in 5
positively identified with politics, literary creativity and celebrity, performance art |
Much as one craves recognition when the lagnesha
occupies bhava-5 the house of celebrity, it is
ironically quite difficult to establish a harmonious
relationship with one's superiors at work.
The problem might be resolved if the nativity features very strong graha in bhava-10. Typically however the native is unhappy on a creative level due to the natural 6/8 relationship between work duties (10) and personal expression of divine intelligence (5). One feels cramped and unrecognized in the professional hierarchy, often forced into the servitude of dull or repetitive tasks which numb the creative instincts.
Seeking an outlet for the more personal and less institutional artistic expression, one may try to create a non-professionalized validationsuch as children's theatre but the tension between needing public respect and validation(10) vs enjoying the presence of the Muse (5) being a Shani-Surya tension is not easily reconciled. Over time one will favor the stronger house (likely 5 since 5 contains the lagnesha) and begin to dread the weaker house which is likely 10. |
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Loss of balance / enemies / disease / Poverty / Crime |
6th-from-6th = Bhava 11 marketplace/networks there is a natural imbalance and animosity between the state of financial imbalance (6) and the state of gainful income. They cannot simultaneously coexiSaint Throughout the lifetime, neither win definitively "win" the conflict, but they will always dislike each other. erosion of trust due to "bad advice" (12th from 7th) about animosity, debt, and disease (6). Agency indicated by any graha in 11. For example,
The agent in 11 delivers wrong argument (6th from) regarding matters of 6: debt management, taking loads, paying medical expenses, buying or using drugs, use of alcohol, prostitution or exploitive sexual practices, etc. It is a double-bad as 6th-from-6th This is only a problem usually if there are strong graha in both 6 and 11. |
8th-from-6th = Bhava 1 identity/body there is a natural required transformation of the scarcity-thinkingwhich drives reality of house-6, into prosperity-thinkingwhich encourages spirits to remain in human bodies. If this transformation fails, life is crippled by illness. If it succeeds, all flourish. |
Lagnesha
in 6
positively identified with poverty, class-conflict, medicine, and service ministry |
Budha-Shani. Mental management of the conflict. Logical Reasoning. | Budha-Mangala. Bitterly frustrated. |
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Balance / marriage / contracts / agreements |
6th-from-7th = Bhava 12 dreams/meditation there is a natural incommensurability between mutually-agreed partnership decisions and the private visions and fantasies a person develops in their own head. There is conflict by design between under-the-table or covert dealings (12), and public legal contracts (7). |
8th-from-7th = Bhava 2 values/wealth there is a natural required transformation of the two-sets-of-values lifestyle of egalitarian relationships such as marriage, into the fully merged condition of two people having the same values. Once the partners have identical values I.e., have become a family), major wealth can be obtained. |
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Lagnesha in 7 positively identified with harmony
These are general conditions which dramatize
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Guru-Shukra. Not an easy imbalance to manage, as two
sources of good fortune dislike each other but one wants
both of course.
Natural animosity between the native 's identification with contractual relationships vs. the world of private, clandestine undertaking. the native 's preference is strongly for above-board, clearly termed mutual-interest contracts; whereas the machinations and under-the-table schemes of 12 are very frustrating to deal with.
Travel to distant lands and cultures is not a happy experience for the native , who does not function well in the dreamlike haze of foreign travel. This native is deeply involved in understanding the terms of agreement and developing balanced alliances. One is a rational proceduralist with a preference for resolution of all imbalances via the law courts. Relationships which are unbalanced because they have a corrupt or privatized basis (12) are anathema to this soul. |
Shukra-Shukra. Easy to manage. Two sorts of sweets.
Relationship to the family historyundergoes many changes in this life. The cycle of destruction and rebirth may oblige the native to participate actively in the care of dying family members. Often during period of L-2. |
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secrets / healing / Sacrifice / transformation / magic |
6th-from-8th = Bhava 1 identity/body There is a natural imbalance and animosity between the invisible world of magic and the material world of the body. Delusory appearance of the world is sacrificially transformed into a higher truth - for those who can see. Those who can't see feel blind and angry at the apparent loss.
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8th-from-8th = Sahaja bhava sibling/small group/ communal process There is a natural required transformation of invisible reality and secret powers into pragmatic, daily mental practice in order to accomplish good communication. Secrets must be explained in practical teachings. |
Lagnesha
in 8
positively identified with mysteries and secrecy |
Mangala-Mangala. Easy to manage. "How Life Is." | Mangala-Budha. Cranky and critical. |
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father / religion / Priestly Ritual / Human Communication with world of Spirit |
6th-from-9th = Bhava 2 'real' values / wealth there is a natural imbalance and animosity between the intangible values expressed in priestly ritual of bhava-9
versus the the tangible, material values of house-2
Both dharma-bhava and dhana-bhava are good houses. The only difference is that the Earth-bound values of dhana-bhava perish at death, while the more universal values of dharma-bhava persist across incarnations. These two worlds of value do compete for the resource of the native 's earthly time, and therein lies the 'conflict'. erosion of trust due to "bad advice" (6th = 12th from 7th) about religious worship, university scholarship, global travel (9). Agency of the wrong advice = indicated by any graha in 2. For example, Chandra in 2 might indicate that the mother is a source of unbalanced advice regarding one's scholarly, theological or philosophical endeavors. |
8th-from-9th = Bhava 4 home/foundations/security there is a natural required transformation of the guru-father's domain - communication with peoples different from us, those who do not share our customs, do not Own thingsand often do not have bodies -- translating from the human world to the spiritual world and back -- into the goddess-mother's domain - loving relationships between people very similar to us, detailed practices for how to own things, for managing our lands and kinship, sustaining emotional and physical security in our familiar world ruled by our mother, Earth. The 4/9 transformation is an endless negotiation of two essential but incommensurable worlds. Each apparent loss of physical/emotional security followed by a gain in 'yang' creative spiritual wisdom which forces a return to the 'yin' world of security and ownership under the Great Mother. Bhavas 4 and 9 are both dusthana, both houses of happiness. This ongoing transformation is part and parcel of the human condition, and with skill can be deeply enjoyed. |
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Lagnesha
in 9
positively identified with dharma |
Guru-Shukra. Not an easy imbalance to manage, as two
sources of good fortune dislike each other but one wants
both of course. There is a natural animosity between the native and the family history. Lack of harmony between the life purpose of the native and the lineage values of the family culture. The inherent energetic animosity creates a cycle of chronic illness or discomfort while the native is growing up inside the family bounds. There may be implicit or explicit arguing (6) in the family, esp between the parents. Food (2) or drink (2) may be a contentious issue. The discomfort resolves when the native goes to university (9) or into temple culture (9) undertakes world travel (9) or other suitable dharma (9) that liberates the native from servitude to the family. |
Guru-Chandra. Mixed relationship with the parents, who
tend to be more conservative and security focused than
this globe-trotting native. Parental fixity upon the
land, the good-behavior approach to schooling, the
immediate ethnic customs, = frustrating to a
world-knowing lagnesha in dharma bhava. Parents and the mother's lineage in particular suffer from parochialism which constrains and possibly even paralyzes (damaged Soma) their access to broader wisdom. Parental limits which pinch the native 's sense of philosophical truth include the ethnic religion, and the parents or local-culture habit of confusing ethnic customs with true religion. Nevertheless there is tolerance in this combination. The parents are accepted as precious servants (6) whose loving labors have facilitated the native 's birth into present priestly roles. One feels affectionate and accepting even while chomping at the cultural bit. |
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profession / Leadership / Prestige / dignity |
6th-from-10th = Bhava 3 sibling/small group/ communal process There is a natural animosity between the larger, national or international scale of leadership and the smaller communal or tribal unit. Global vs. local. The greater dignity applies to the better house, which is karmaasthana. Undoubtedly, local affairs drain away energy for grand scale leadership; meetings and business procedures leech the grand structural vision; petty affairs consume the power of great leaders everywhere. |
8th-from-10th = Bhava 5 children/fame There is a natural required transformation of |
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Lagnesha
in 10
positively identified with karma
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Shani-Budha This native is often a captain of industry
or an important leader in a hierarchical social order.
One is powerfully identified with a respected, visible,
directing social role in 'big business'. 'Small business' which is to say the day-to-day, often invisible, 'back office' sort of task labor which spins the wheels of commerce, is the portfolio of bhava-3. Here are the secretaries and the salespeople, the technicians and the craftspeople, the customer service agents and the event planners. Here are the meetings, the agendas, the memoranda, the paperwork, the daily communications, and the endless lists of 'things to do'. Large-scale, wide-influence decisions such as are made by those at the top of a hierarchy are usually in conflict with the daily interests of the small-scale, detailed and task-specific concerns of the office worker. When too much focused on tactical details from the small picture, the big picture loses strategic power . One must generally choose to see either the forest or the trees. This native is social identified (lagnesha) with the big picture and must naturally resent being dragged into conflict with what seem like petty concerns of the smaller scale mental processes of individual tasks. As usual, "The devil is in the details." This is a Shani-Budha conflict which not too severe because there is no big ego involved. Managing (not resolving) it requires extending one's leadership awareness (10) into the realm of the daily task officer (3) and maintaining respect for the tasks of petty administration even while not appropriating those concerns into one's own scope of decision-making. |
Shani-Surya. A very difficult and intractable conflict as personal ego of creative intelligence collides with the duties and responsibilities of public office. |
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marketplace / networks / interconnected communities |
6th-from-11th = Bhava 4 home/foundations/security There is a natural animosity between the large-scale connectivity of the marketplace, mingling amongst peoples with many different customs, versus the sheltered, culturally homogenous, emotionally protected home environment wherein everyone was raised to follow one set of rules: mother's rules. |
8th-from-11th = Bhava 6 imbalance/shortages/ enemies/disease There is a crisis of transformative destruction starting from Labhasthana's robustly gainful free market spiraling downward to Ari Bhava's tightly policed, weak, exploitive, impoverished victim state. 8th-fromLabha's peak speculative creativity of negotiation (11th is 5th-from-7th, peak creativity of balancing) shows the terrible underbelly of capital markets: Ari's world of master-slave exploitation. In order to return to good health, the crisis cycle must end with another jump of 6th-from-6th. As always, true evil destroys itself. 6th-from-6th imbalances the imbalance by returning to 11, throwing the energy forward to a state of social equilibrium, characterized by openness to new ideas and opportunity for all. |
Lagnesha
in 11
positively identified with fund-raising + community networks |
Shani-Chandra. Emotionally draining but it will stabilize except for the Shani-Chandra period which is miserable. | Shani-Budha. Can be managed by planning and programming. |
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dreams / meditation / sanctuary /subconscious / private worlds |
6th-from-12th = Bhava 5 children/fame As any parent will testify, there is a natural animosity between private peace of the adult bedroom and meditative sanctuary, versus the boisterous, effusive, loud, and infinitely demanding energy of children. Although spirits in young bodies are delightful in their own way, they definitely are the enemy of grown-up peace and quiet :) Just so, fame and speculation, all that glitters, including literary creativity and the full range of life's fascinating psychodrama - all matters of putrasthana -are the natural enemies of deep inner sanctuary. |
8th-from-12th = Bhava 7 marriage/agreements There is a natural required transformation of the private, inner world of personal subconscious dream and fantasy, into the conversational interactive partnership of marriage and business agreements. The crisis involves learning to live in two worlds. This is always The message of 8th-from: there are many levels of reality. The skillful observer of self and other who can define the various domains clearly, can negotiate the realms. They know when to apply the rules of their private world and when to acknowledge the world of their partner. The less skillful, or those with strong planets in relative shad-ashtaka 6-8 angles, will find themselves angry and frustrated when they try to use rules from a private world in a shared psychic space, or vice versa. |
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Lagnesha
in 12
positively identified with privacy |
Guru-Surya. Barely a noticeable conflict. | Guru-Shukra. Not an easy imbalance to manage, as two sources of good fortune -- private prayer vs. shared wealth of marriage -- dislike each other. Yet one wants both sources of happiness of course. |
shad-ashtaka 6-8 anglebetween Chandra-Surya:
In a female nativity,deep frustration and anxiety rooted in disappointment toward her once-heroic father will emerge as she tries to care for (Chandra) her spouse. Periods of Surya bring men who re-enact the woman's internal, ever-repeating dialog of a hostile, unbalanced relationship with her father.
In a male nativity, deep frustration and anxiety rooted in disappointment toward his once-nurturing mother will emerge as he tries to inspire and enlighten (Surya) his spouse. Periods of Chandra bring women who re-enact the man's internal, ever-repeating dialog of a hostile, unbalanced relationship with his mother.
(If the Surya-Chandra angle is auspicious, the disappointment may be softened or slight.)
In a marriage (whether sexual or spiritual) the relationship between the radix graha who is L-1 navamsha and the radix graha who is L-7 navamsha will provide a good part of the profile of the native 's marriage. This pair of graha show which internal relationship inside the native 's own reality is being mirrored and triggered most intensively by the thoughts and actions of the spouse.
Should the radix graha who is L-1 navamsha and the radix graha who is L-7 navamsha be in a shad-ashtaka 6-8 angles,there will be trouble for the native in marriage.
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The problem in its seed form lies entirely within the native , it is an internal conflict which is simply being manifest or dramatized by the social interaction with one's spouse.
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The purpose of the marriage dynamic is simply to call this internal dysfunction to the native 's conscious attention.
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Once identified, the problem can be addressed and the native may enjoy a happy marriage.
However initially, and for the sleepwalkers perhaps eternally, a shad-ashtaka 6-8 anglebetween the radix graha who is L-1 navamsha and the radix graha who is L-7 navamsha indicates a climate of victimization, scarcity (material or emotional), animosity, illness, and conflict up to the point of war (if the graha are violent by nature).
Das says about Chandra-Guru = 6/8: Moon is in 6 from Jupiter or Moon is in 8 from Jupiter.
Dalai Lama
Answers: Discussions with Western Buddhists
edited by Jose Ignacio Cabezon
"Now, you see, world peace through mental peace is an absolute. It is the ultimate goal. But as for the method, there are many factors that must be taken into consideration.
Under a particular set of circumstances, a certain approach may be useful while under other circumstances another may be useful.
This is a very complicated issue which compels us to study the situation at a particular point of time. We must take into account the other side's motivation, etc., so it is a very complex matter.
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But we must always keep in mind that all of us want happiness.
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War, on the other hand, only brings suffering--that is very clear.
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Even if we are victorious, that victory means sacrificing many people.
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It means their suffering.
Therefore, the important thing is peace. But how do we achieve peace?
Is it done through hatred, through extreme competition, through anger?
It is obvious that through these means it is impossible to achieve any form of lasting world peace.
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Hence, the only alternative is to achieve world peace through mental peace, through peace of mind.
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World peace is achieved based only on a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood, on the basis of compassion.
The clear, genuine realization of the oneness of all mankind is something important. It is something we definitely need.
Wherever I go, I always express these views."
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