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Essential Angle = Shani to Chandra

Even when the emotional impact of Shani-yuti-Chandra is not present in the radix or navamsha, understanding the implications of Shani's angle vis--vis Chandra is essential to understanding the native 's emotional makeup and karmic path.

In the old days, village astrologers did not always have access to the radix lagna so they were forced to use the Chandra lagna as the basis for evaluating planetary angles.

These days with sharp modern Jyotisha software and the possibility of accurate-to-the-minute hospital birth certificates, it is tempting to disregard the Chandra lagna in favor of the materially influential radix lagna: the sign-degree ascending on the eastern horizon at the time of birth - especially when using the vidya of Jyotisha to read the charts of modern westerners.

It is truly exciting to have access to accurate radix lagna positions for making interpretations and predictions.

However Chandra lagna remains a critically important viewpoint, because every single planet will impact the persons astral/emotional perceptions, and Those perceptions make the essential difference-- between the buoyant joy of divine connectedness versus the living death of psychic alienation -- in the modern individual.

If Shani occupies a favorable angle from Chandra, the native will be empowered to negotiate (over time) a reasonable balance between their private need for unconditional acceptance and their public need to demonstrate social conformity. If the angle is troublesome, there will be a struggle in this lifetime to establish permission to develop their psychic intuitive perceptions adequately. A very poor Shani/Chandra angle may block the person from divine communication entirely - leaving only the meager food of an alienated materialistic modern worldview to barely nourish their soul.

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Shani = 2nd-from-Chandra


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Beholden to the possessors of treasuries, to the family of origin and to History

either by their presence or by their absence,

  • family history and Money-Wealth become the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.


Shani = 2nd-from-Chandra = family history emotionally a source of pressure to acquire and maintain a collection of material assets.

These assets may be structured as "stored food" for the body (money, cattle, preserved nutrients) or "food" for the mind (lineage knowledge, history, languages, songs).

The extended family as a unit will tend to apply a pre-formatted set of expectations toward the native which do not address the native 's authentic psycho-emotional disposition. Acquisition of capital wealth becomes a performance expectation pushed by the family.

Because the 2nd-from- is an Artha angle of Materialization and Shani is a highly material graha, the role of Shani in 2nd-from-Chandra is likely to be successful in material terms, i.e., The capital wealth expected by the values of the family culture will indeed be manifest.

However on an emotional level, the family history cannot "see" the native for who one is, and this creates in childhood a rather over-regulated and under-appreciative set of performance expectations. The family represents a parochial worldview which the native may find too restrictive as one matures, yet one will wish to retain the conservative values for times which stability of social practice is important in life.

Family tends to be more conservative, more materialistic, and more fearful than the native, and the family may attempt to block the one 's path forward in life to to fear of breaking social conventions.

Yet, the family remain reliable conservators of traditional values, and the family will be available in times when the old values are needed. Shani casts no drishti upon Chandra, so the emotional impact is not severe.

May indicate an emotionally based speech defect in childhood, which can be therapeutically corrected by addressing the family's fear of the native "breaking away" from the traditional-values mold.

Shani = 3rd-from-Chandra


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Shani casts no (Parashari) graha-drishti upon Chandra

  • Beholden to the Message

Shani in 3rd-from-Chandra can produce emotional depression.

Either by their presence or by their absence

  • Narrative Mentality and Siblings become the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.

May feel alienated from siblings (3rd from Chandra).

Shani in 3rd-from-Soma puts a karmic burden upon the communications activities in life, and make communication (written, verbal, electronic, gestural) feel like a heavy task not easy. Mentally, this angle invites cynicism or extreme sobriety leading to depression.

Obligation to write instructions, so that others may know the Rules.

Obligation to produce government propaganda and highly structured, emotionally motivated messages.

Prognosis always improved if either Shani or Chandra is dignified by rashi or if either rules a kendra or a bhagya sthana. Shani yuti Rahu -or- Chandra yuti Rahu = amplified results.

Shani = 4th-from-Chandra


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Chandra accepts Shani's strong 10th-angle graha-drishti

  • Beholden to the Parents, Farmers and School-Teachers
  • patriotic citizen dedicated to order in the land, but home life must be strictly regulated

Easier because public-private tension is explicit,

socially recognized home duties in in direct conflict with titled social leadership roles.

Effects are similar to the 1/1 angle, where Shani's pragmatic seriousness applies discipline, restraint and control to Chandra's emotional easy comforts.

Maternal grandmother becomes a lawful task-master.

Such a child often resists the protocols of customary morality and schooling.

Maternal grandmother applies emotional pressure upon the child to produce "good behavior". the native may develop good child-bad child (good cop, bad cop) syndrome.

either by their presence or by their absence,

  • Conditions in the Mother's Childhood Home and Homeland esp the Maternal grandmother become the primary instructional agents in the karmic struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.

Responsibility to protect the homeland, its boundaries, its customs, and its culture. May be constrained by the folk morality of the settlement.

Shani = 5th-from-Chandra


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Beholden to politicians, gamblers, speculators, royalty, celebrity, children, romantic lovers

The most favorable angle of public-private tension, at which the person achieves wisdom about one's fundamental emotional needs AND one's social obligations as a human citizen.

One is usually able to establish a balance between inner and outer viewpoints.

Overall a dharmic position which produces an increase in consciousness, albeit through some struggles in the attempt to gain political approval (5) and complexities in the role of creativity and pro-creativity in the pursuit of approval.

Delays the arrival of children, reduces the number of children or creates a resource-scarcity struggle in raising the children (usually a shortage of Time).

either by their presence or by their absence,

  • Children, romance, celebrity, and politics become the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.

One may be separated from the children by social duties (Shani) or face charges of negligence toward them.

Feels emotional pressure to achieve social approval through celebrity performance, displays of genius, or political authority.

Children become heavy responsibility, but the results of accepting this burden are morally and spiritually uplifting, but usually this benefit is recognized only in the second half of life.

One must work hard to protect and nurture the children. the native may find oneself in perpetual negotiation of the conflict between one's individual creative-intelligence relationship with one's children, versus professional and material responsibilities.

Yet the results of staying with this conflict and working through each individual step of the process are indeed favorable over the longer term.

Shani = 6th-from-Chandra


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  • Servant-Leader

  • Beholden to care of the victim class

Similar to 2/12 public-private tension, except worse: there is a profound animosity in this person's worldview between public accomplishment and private satisfaction.

Often the mother was consumed by her work as a laborer, servant or housekeeper, leaving little extra time to devote to the unconditional attention toward the child. The child may have been raised by servants.

the native s hold a core belief that either private needs or public success must win -- and whichever loses must be annihilated.

Shani = 6th-from-Chandra can become a workaholic servant-leader.

  • Work may become an emotionally exhausting addiction.

  • emotionally imposed obligation to serve the impoverished, war-torn, polluted, addicted, ailing, disenfranchised, and conflicted; imbalanced, distrustful, unwanted, accusing, and exploited

Following in the parents' footsteps, one soothes the inner argument through the all-consuming discipline of work. While this may be good for the beneficiaries of the ministry of service, it is hard on the native and often impossibly hard on the spouse who is seeking one's emotional attention.

Service ministry to the exploited, or personal servitude in one's own duties, either by their presence or by their absence, are the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.

Shani = 7th-from-Chandra


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7th-from-Chandra = mutual aspect

Chandra accepts Shani's weaker 7th-angle graha-drishti

  • Beholden to the attorneys, partners and advisers

Either by their presence or by their absence

  • Partner and The Self become the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.

Emotional "marriage karma" which presents a significant learning curve for the incarnation. The karma of bargaining and negotiating with a difficult, intractable, or authoritarian partner.

  • Dalai Lama, his partner = the Chinese govt oppressors

  • The first wife of "Sherlock Holmes" writer Arthur Conan Doyle was diagnosed with terminal tuberculosis and given only months to live. However she lingered on, in frail health but conscious, for nearly ten years. C-D began a second relationship which had to remain hidden due to convention but also concern for wife-1.

First marriage may be very demanding due to the public responsibilities and/or rigidly controlling personality of the spouse. It may be easier to forego marriage entirely and rather develop a highly disciplined relationship to the ishta-devata .

If marriage is undertaken, Shani acquires a variety dig-bala which supports patience and endurance esp if the partner is elder or senior in professional dignity.

  • Newt Gingrich married his high school teacher, who was seven years his elder

  • France-Emperor 1804-1815 Napoleon Bonaparte married Josephine, who was elder and politically more experienced

It takes the better part of a lifetime to understand one's own emotional needs and expectations within a partnership, and to acquire the requisite emotional maturity to function as an equal partner in respect to another person's emotional expectations.

Mutual aspect of Shani-Soma. Shani casts His 7th-dristhi upon Chandra.

Shani enforces law-and-order upon the emotional needs (Soma). Depending on drishti to Chandra, the mother may be conservative and somewhat fearful (Shani) which can overemphasize the need for stability and social achievement.

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Shani = 8th-from-Chandra


Beholden to hidden liaisons and secret information.

either by their presence or by their absence,

  • Secret knowledge of occult, camouflaged wealth, and prescience of the conditions of death

become the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.

  • Gov Calif 2004-2011 Arnold Schwarzenegger famously maintained a second family successfully hidden from the first family, even though they often shared the same house

  • USA Pres-03 Thomas Jefferson maintained a hidden union with his deceased wife's younger mulatto half-sister who was also a household slave, by whom he had six children. The public cover-up was so complete that, against the custom of his day, he did not free Sally in his will.

  • USA Pres-36 Lyndon B. Johnson masked a huge fortune of hidden wealth behind the names of his wife's family (8 = 2nd family from spouse 7)

  • Julian Assange of Wikileaks receives valuable information from undisclosed sources

Prognosis always improved if either Shani or Chandra is dignified by rashi or if either rules a kendra or a bhagya sthana. Shani yuti Rahu -or- Chandra yuti Rahu = amplified results.

Shani = 9th-from-Chandra


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Beholden to the paternal grandfather, the priests, the pope, the philosophers, the pandits, the preachers, the proselytes, the pater-nostra, the patriarchy, the professors, the pujari

Some reduction of grandchildren and definitively emotional distance, resistance or negligence from the maternal father.

Either by their presence or by their absence,

  • Philosophical Study and Religious Worship become the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.

Maternal grandfather (or the Mother's Religion) may have a distinguished social position as a paragon of social morality = doing all the Right Things.

Yet on the level of emotional relationship, the Mother's Religion = a task-master.

Mother's Religion (maternal grandfather) has some type of psycho-social limitation (Shani) often religious duties or the time-intensive demands of advanced philosophical study, which emotionally separates the grandfather from the native and is acutely felt by the Mother as well. Maternal grandfather may express a conformist, punitive social viewpoint.

Maternal grandfather may be physically present yet emotionally harsh or unavailable. Maternal grandfather may interfere and control (esp during Shani periods) with moralistic, authoritarian power.

  • Yet the Maternal grandfather is burdened by his own heavy concerns in life.

  • Mother's Religion involves heavy ritual obligations

The Maternal grandfather's actual behavior of substituting material values for the expected higher religious or spiritual values (despite propaganda to the contrary) may easily cause the child to distrust the motives of all paternalistic authority figures such as priests, professors, and higher moral judges.

Difficulty in the relationship with overly conservative or formalized ceremonial religious practice. Preference for a more pragmatic or results-oriented spiritual teaching.

the native may reject or reduce the traditional social-religious rites of passage such as marriage or baptismal ceremonies, preferring only a minimal "civil ceremony" to meet government requirements. (If Rahu + Shani, the life ceremonies may be conducted in a foreign tradition.)

Grandchildren may become a burden unless Shani's lord is favorable.


Prognosis always improved if either Shani or Chandra is dignified by rashi or if either rules a kendra or a bhagya sthana. Shani yuti Rahu -or- Chandra yuti Rahu = amplified results.

Shani = 10th-from-Chandra

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Excellent placement for public leadership roles. Distinguished career.

  • "rehearsal" karma
  • regulatory and restraining behaviors
  • highly disciplined and responsible worker
  • generally Shani-10th-from-Chandra grants a supportive mother at the foundation of life
  • in order to experience emotional security, one feels Beholden to the government, the father's money or father's family, the lawful leadership duties and the social reputation

Graha-drishti of Shani contacts only the 7th-from-Chandra which gives a materially responsible but emotionally distant Shani flavor to the character of the 1st spouse and all close business partners. the native 's career will reflect one's emotional need to stabilize and conserve traditional, law-abiding, culturally fixed, hierarchical behaviors.

either by their presence or by their absence,

  • Social Leadership Duties become the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.

One may hold a symbolic social role which requires one to act in ways that are very difficult emotionally.

Strong negative impact on the marriage relationship, unless the spouse is very deeply invested in the native 's performance of iconic leadership duties.

In traditional marriages, a man's wife may find it easier to accommodate his constant attention to duties and the emotional drain he suffers from public performance, so long as her community offers material support to compensate for an often-gone husband.

A woman's husband may find the social obloquy of a wife who is emotionally unavailable because she is consumed with public duty, to be unbearable.

Much of the difficulty can be avoided by choosing a chronologically elder or emotionally very mature or socially conservative spouse.

  • "Moral Majority" political televangelist Rev. Jerry Falwell, socially ultra-conservative spouse, reasonably happy marriage.

Prognosis always improved if either Shani or Chandra is dignified by rashi or if either rules a kendra or a bhagya sthana. Shani yuti Rahu -or- Chandra yuti Rahu = amplified results.

Shani = 11th-from-Chandra


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Chandra accepts Shani's strong 3rd-angle drishti

  • beholden to the masses and the classes

Similar emotional-discipline effect to the 1/1 angle. Mother's love becomes conditional.

either by their presence or by their absence

  • Large, Complex Networks

  • particularly the Marketplace Economy and popular Social-Progress Movements

becomes the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.

Economics and Civil Participation:

Electronic networks:

One must work very hard to achieve large-scale social-material goals.

  • Material performance becomes the prerequisite for obtaining the parental (Chandra) approval.

Shani will oppress the individual's gainfulness and place one in a lower social register by birth.

One struggles lifelong to obtain emotional security via the Shani-driven method of trying to earn a higher, more respectable social ranking.

Shani = 12th-from-Chandra


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Beholden to the Spirit Guides

either by their presence or by their absence

  • Imagination, Dreams, Meditation, Sanctuary

  • Private Bedroom Relationships

Become the primary instructional agents in the karma struggle to transform emotional ignorance into emotional wisdom.

  • Sleeplessness, insomnia, pressure to resist sleep in order to work more.

Limited permission to relax.

The subconscious is in survival mode due to loss of the mother-figure.

  • "Secret Doctrine" theosophist H.P. Blavatsky's mother died when little Helena was 12

  • the mother of "l'Histoire d'une Asme", Sainte Therese de Lisieux suffered from terminal breast cancer during Therese's upbringing and died when Therese was 12.

  • UK-Princess Diana Spencer 's mom left the house after a divorce, when little Diana was 10

  • Oracle Database founder Larry Ellison's unwed mother gave him up for adoption

  • "Anna Karenina" writer Leo Tolstoy died in his early childhood

  • The teenage mother of multimedia magnate Oprah Winfrey placed toddler Oprah in the care of her rural maternal grandmother

Can be a lifelong challenge to obtain or retain privacy in the life.


Prognosis always improved if either Shani or Chandra is dignified by rashi or if either rules a kendra or a bhagya sthana. Shani yuti Rahu -or- Chandra yuti Rahu = amplified results.

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