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Mahadasha of Shani

1. Shani in Bhava-1

2. Shani in bhava-2

3. Shani in Bhava-3

4. Shani in Bhava-4

5. Shani in Bhava-5

6. Shani in Bhava-6

7. Shani in Bhava-7 * dikbala

8. Shani in Bhava-8

9. Shani in Bhava-9

10. Shani in Bhava-10

11. Shani in Bhava-11

12. Shani in Bhava-12

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resistance to messages (angels) - fear of collaboration - anxiety about publicity + obligation to respectfully discuss

mental weight, grave thoughts

profound sense of responsibility for matters of writing and publication yet frustration with communicative duties and often insufficient resources in the commercial office

Matters of upachaya bhava-3 improve with time and maturity

Self-made wealth, self-generated family

• Children = Denied or delayed

Impact of Parashari drishti

Conforming to the lowest common denominator

Managing Shani's thought projections - a legacy of Negative Expectations

Shani in Mesha * neechchamsha

• USA Pres-32 Franklin D. Roosevelt + Guru

Shani in Vrishabha

Shani in Mithuna

Shani in Karkata

• So-Africa president Nelson Mandela + Surya + Budha

• Gov. Mass, 2012 pres. cand. Mitt Romney

Shani in Simha

Shani in Kanya

• dramatist, advocate Christopher Reeve

• Gov-Sen Louisiana 1928-1935 Huey "Kingfish" Long+ Shukra + Ketu

Shani in Thula * uchchamsha

• USA Pres-41 George H. W. Bush

• "Apple Computer" Steve Jobs

• writer Brit-India Rudyard Kipling

• British-Egyptian cinematic producer Dodi Al-Fayed

Shani in Vrischika

• writer William Faulkner

• publisher "PlayBoy" Hugh Hefner

• Coretta Scott King

Shani in Dhanushya = humanism

• editor, journalist Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis

• writer Gary Snyder

• writer Emile Zola,

Shani in Makara

• dramatist Brad Pitt

• dramatist Brigitte Bardot + Rahu

• writer Friedrich Nietzsche

Shani in Kumbha = swakshetra = lawful social-conceptual systems

• General Electric Corp. billionaire manager, strategic planner Jack Welch

• General Electric Corp founder; billionaire manager, strategic planner Thomas Alva Edison

Shani in Meena

• media mogulCNN Ted Turner * parivartamsha L-3 Guru

Shani in bhava- 3

Karma of writing, announcements, reports, explanations, instruction

• Rigid, sober, highly structured, change-resistant mentality

• Highly regulated thought patterns

• May suffer from negative relationship to the journalistic press

Karma of twins, teams, transactions, and talk

Parashari drishti to domains: 5, 9, and 12.

• See: dealing with the negative expectations of Shani in bhava-3

• All forecasts improve with planetary support from Budha.

  dedicated, disciplined placement for literary editors, inspectors and regulators in the publishing industry, publicity managers, and those concerned with structuring the media-message-image

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A sibling may create weight in the life of Shani-3 .

Might be an anchoring social-legitimacy weight, adding respectability when formal situations require some type of escort .

• Jacqueline Kennedy often brought her younger sister Lee Radziwill as an escort for various parties and holidays, including USA government trips when her husband being otherwise engaged did not accompany her. Mrs. K-O's Guru = lord of Shani, and Guru is dominated by Shukra (sisters).

Shani imposes regulated vertical (Makara) and horizontal (Kumbha) systems. Shani in bhava-3 = information reporting systems (media publishing).

Mental Anxiety. Works overtime to gain the respect of the neighbors, the team, or the departmental working group.

With maturity and disciplined narrative can become a capable, if austere, technical report writer.

Fear and worry regarding the sibling-team and communication output.

• Must work to earn validation of the mentality. Works to be fully approved, in compliance, and judged perfect under the rule of human law.

• Yet survival fears based in past-life karma enforce the mandate to perform this work over and over again, until the ignorance is transformed into wisdom.

"Have not reported lawfully enough" syndrome.

Shani-3 's lifetime communication skills may be reduced or retarded.

Resistance to change in matters of

• instructional delivery,

• media design, information formating,

• scheduling, planning, itineraries,

• making announcements, reports, sharing the news

• constructing conversations, managing dialog.

Minimalist style in verbal and written transactions. Provides the least possible information in reports and announcements.

The paucity of information provided and extreme brevity of meetings is not necessarily an aid to understanding. In fact the curt, abbreviated style associated with Shani-3 can be a problem in business as Shani-3 cannot easily chat.

Anxiety (throat constriction) about releasing too much information may produce social criticism for Shani-3. One may be perceived as withholding, controlling, or uncooperative.

On the other hand, when Shani enjoys a favorable rashi and supportive drishti, the messaging outcome can be elegantly streamlined.

• For example, a capable literary editor with Shani-3 could take a garbled narrative from a talented but inexperienced writer, and via rules and reductions produce a much more readable text. As an editor, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis was well-known for her attention to emerging writers of color whose works showed promise but were overblown. She helped bring a number of such writers successfully to market.

The work team that must integrate a Shani-3 member may find themselves frustrated. Shani-3 cannot easily adapt one's style of communication or increase the speed of publication. Quicker minds may find Shani-3 to be slow-going and rule-bound. Their depressed and delayed mentality seems unhealthy but indeed it has longevity; that persistent Shani-3 team member will outlast the less patient and in the end the work will get done correctly unless the depression becomes too severe.

To avoid depression, Shani-3 must be engaged in mental, transactional, communications work! One must contribute to society in the areas of information management, sales, planning, and teamwork.

However, Shani-3 is normally too dour and fearful of change to become a successful manager of people. Shani-3 is often happier working alone.

Handling information? yes. Handling people? no. (Exceptions: helpful drishti from Budha or the L-3; L-3 in lagna; other beneficial angles.)

Good results: the hands, arms, and shoulders will change very little over time. One may have a surprisingly youthful appearance in these body parts as a result. These parts look old or world-weary (Shani) in the first part of life, but because Shani resists change, they may look surprisingly "timeless" in elder years.

Less helpful: lung karma, due to suppressed grief.

Shani in bhava-3 = an administrative functionary who works the socially approved system of collaborative mentality and daily business procedures.

Siblings, daily conversations, and administrative process are fundamentally stubborn, persistent, conservative and slow.

Shani=3 must apply sustained effort with limited resources toward the maintenance of day-to-day mundane communications, meetings and plans, writing and thinking, and the technology which supports group interactions.

Some difficulties or maturation required before obtaining good fortune and 'wins' (5 and 9). Worry due to blocked access to meditation/prayer (12). Shani's extreme sobriety can produce mental-emotional depression in bhava-3 of mental process.

• Upachaya bhava + Shani is friend of natural regulator Budha = Maturity and self-discipline

• over time, will correct these early frustrations and give long-term success.

• Good results after the second Shani return at approximately age 60..

All good results from Shani must wait for the fullness of time, but graha drishtiof malefic to dushthamsha bhava-8 is generally beneficial.

Distrust of siblings-cousins, children, the father, and one's own dreams. Depressive mentality. Negative expectations. Worst-case thinking, suspicious of the motives of neighbors, teammates, and co-workers. Uncomfortable and unpopular in small groups such as corporate departments and sports teams.

Better if Shani occupies a rashi of Shani, Shukra, or Budha. Better with any type of support from Shukra

• Pitt, Jobs, Reeve, Bush, Welch

Typical mistakes due to past-life karmic ignorance

Mistakes will tend to be made repeatedly and a long-term burden carried, in the areas of

• teamwork, siblings, group communications, media production skills, writing, scripts, publications, advertising, public relations, communication devices of all kinds, self-made wealth, conversations , articulation of narratives.

Shani in bhava-3 tends toward moderate progress in the task of learning from one's mistakes in matters of small-group interaction. Pace of self-correction depends on whether Shani occupies a hospitable rashi.

Once the early mistakes are corrected , Shani-3 institutes a rigorous routine of attention to the rules of business.

After mastery (Shani) is acquired via practical experience in "the school of hard knocks", there may be surprising success in activities which demand intensive group collaboration (3) and close attention to matters of messaging, media-packaging, and public relations.

Less fluent, more stodgy and resistant, regarding sibling interactions, writing and conversation as a Youth. A younger sibling may cause heavy workload and become particularly burdensome.

After the age of 31 (past the first Saturn Return) Shani-2 will see better results from matters of the bhava ruled by Shani.

These men enjoy strong positions of Shani-3:

• Jack Welch was too rational and scientifically complex in his early group communication style. He had to streamline his style of making announcements, develop teams, and learn how to run a business meeting. = Shani-Kumbha = L-2 [speech, money, values] - L-3 [self-made wealth, meetings, public relations, business administration]

• dramatist, media producer Brad Pitt = was not raised by entertainers. He had to learn the business by trial-and-error. A graduate of the communications media "school of hard knocks", he had to learn the standard protocol and procedures (Shani) in the industry, including basics such as managing "publicity" (3) and selecting appropriate theatrical scripts (3). Albeit, Shukra + Shani in Makarais a relatively auspicious combination which signifies his handsome bone structure (Shukra-Makara) and basic business sense (Shani-Makara-3) both of which come from his birth family. Bhava-3 = 2nd from 2nd.

~~ Luke 11:34-35

Mental Effects

"No rest for the weary". Anxious mentality, due to blockage on amusements (5) and religious rituals (9) and personal prayer/meditation/dreams (12). Rigid thinking. No easy release for worries. Materialistic mentality, creates depression.

Shani in 3 reduces mental health and positive ambition. Causes depression/anxiety set in a "worst-case-scenario" set of expectations stemming from difficulties with siblings in childhood. Feels pressure to conform in communicative style.

Beneficial for traditional crafts and formal thoughtwhichimproves with practice, e.g., writing in formal styles, mastering social registers of speech and behavior, playing musical instruments, handling utensils.

The immediate younger sibling is likely to be quite troublesome. Teamwork is demanding, with Shani-2 shouldering excess workload. Children are constrained by time or lack of resources, due to Shani's drishti upon bhava-5 and bhava-9.

Resistance and delayor blockage to hands or hearing. Native feels lifelong pressure to conformto traditional or lowest-common-denominator social practices.

• Shani in bhava-3 gives rigid thinking. Shani insinuates qualities of ignorance, resistance and resentment into the character of the sibling relationships, the work-group process, and the cycle of repeating daily thoughts. Shani in bhava-3 provides a general karma of not being heard, included, or recognized by the group.

• Shani limits the communicative range and constrains one's effort to write and gesture.Growing up, one's sibling environment is somewhat harsh and defined by scarce resources - often the result of brutal competition for the parents' attention. If there are no siblings (common also with Shani/3), Shani-2 is raised in isolation and interactive communication with peers is strictly limited.

• In adulthood, Shani-2 expects isolation and oppression in the work-group. Often works alone. No matter how hard one "tries" to be recognized and fully included in the communicative circle, one's contribution seems less important than others'. Sincerely friendly team relationships are difficult to maintain. Shani-2 works diligently at communications, and may become highly expert, but one's persistent background negativity emphasizes craft over inspiration. The writings are overly formal and perceptions are dull.

• Shani delays access to important meetings, short journeys, brief vacations and "business trips", and team conferences where shared-value conversations, scheduling, and strategic planning is being developed. One is often "out of the loop" in communications; passed over for promotions; and considered unproductive, dull, or "dead wood" in communications-intensive environments. Not a "team player"

• Further, Shani creates psychic resistance to starting one's own family. This pessimism about recreating a family may well be overcome by other positive influences, but the residual effect of negative expectations regarding the group communications that are the essence of family life, will persist.

• Resistance also to building "self-made wealth"through starting one's own business.

(The above situation can be alleviated somewhat for lagnas friendly to Shani, such as Thula lagna Vrishabha lagna, Kanya lagna and possibly Mithuna lagna too.)

Matters of upachaya bhava-3 improve with time and maturity

• Mitigants: Shanaicarya is happier when He resides in the natural bhava of Shani's friends, Budha AndShukra. Therefore Shani's negative expectations are slightly easier to handle in domains 2, 3, 6, and 7.

• In addition, bhava-3 is an upachaya dushthamsha: matters of bhava-3 typically improve, a good deal, with maturity and time. Early results are delayed, but later results are favored.

• asks such as disciplined writing and hand-craft of all kinds will improve with practice. In a favorable rashi, Shani-drive repetition and practice will produce excellent results in bhava-3. (E.g., manual practice of musical instrument, writing or painting utensil, body massage, etc.)

bhava-3 ruled by Budha = a relatively neutral location for Shani. Everyone expects the work-group to produce "work". Shani is ready for that reality, with His characteristic hard-working and practical attitude toward life.

• However many people also expect the work-group to replicate the shared-culture, socially validating, friendly-competition pleasures of their childhood sibling group.

• Most societies support sibling-style, lifetime bonding in the Adult work-group, as "2nd-from-2nd" becomes a natural extension of family-based value traditions and virtual kin.

• When Shani occupies bhava-3, there is little room for fond sentiment. Shani-2 has a very pragmatic and often humorless approach toward getting the job done. It is not easy to share one's thoughts with others.

As a result one is seen as lacking enthusiasm for team-work. Native with Shani-3 is typically passed over for promotions, works twice as hard as everyone else yet receives less recognition, and finds oneself feeling cramped by rules for "correct" communication which non-Shani people seem to willfully ignore. Resentment and frustration in the team environment.

Excellent for bureaucrats, computer programming, very small families (usually without children, or only one highly structured child), technical writing, government or industrial inspectors, documentation of rules and regulations,military communications, computational (not philosophical) mathematics, other highly formalized,and rule-driven, mentalized work-group environments.

• Shani-2 has a steady work history.

• Flourishes in government bureaucracy with guaranteed step-wise promotionsbased on longevitynot creativity.

Shani's job is to inculcate personal responsibility (without guilt) and neutral acceptance of the karmic process.

• Domains occupied or aspected by Shani become the primary agents of of Taskmaster Shani'smission: to convert ignorant error intocalm wisdom.

• Shani will do "whatever it takes" to command Shani-2 's attention. Shani will recall Shani-2 over and over to a central difficulty, a repeating failure, or an insurmountable obstacle.

• Matters of the bhava owned or aspected by Shani will mechanically - from the unconscious mind - produce , unfair, disappointing, and deprived results.

Shani's impact on life experience is painful and frustrating but, in the end, extremely beneficial. The pain can be reduced dramatically through neutral awareness and acceptance of the role one plays in creating one's own destiny.

• he conscious human has less control over the flow of events, and more control over how one reacts to those events.

• Once Shani-2 has established a pattern of calm Andnon-judgmental reactionto the flow of events, Shani's job is done- and the pain stops! (The events continue but they just roll past...)

• he faster one can achieve neutral awareness of one's own negative expectations, the faster one can eliminate the pain.

Unfortunately for the slow learner, Shani will give all the "time" necessary to repeat the lesson. For those of us who live a bit behind the curve of total wisdom, it is valuable to be aware of the most acute effects of Shani.

With forewarning, one can address these "scheduled" negativities, as they arise, with consciousness. One can meet each well-timed disappointment with a deeper commitment to forgiveness, acknowledgement and release.

Impact of Parashari dristhi

Shani's negative, pessimistic, fearful, scarcity-oriented, survival-driven, and faith-lacking impact from bhava-3gives Parashari drishti upon bhava 5, 9, And12.This drishti pattern gives negative expectations which produce restriction, interruption, And delayin matters of:

• bhava-3 = ability to use the verbally competitive, immature, open-minded, conversational skills which are first developed in the sibling/cousin/playmategroup

• bhava-5 = ability to have children and romance, express intelligence, be recognized for genius, to win contests, claim authorship or special expertise, feel "lucky".

• bhava-9 = ability to have grandchildren and students, carry out priestly duties, conduct ceremonies, receive wisdom teachings, travel to religious destinations, have gainful and beneficial friends

• bhava-12 = ability to use the power of the imagination to access deep knowledge, to cross easily over the boundaries between attachment and detachment to fleshly life, psychic perception, instructional dreams, and access to sanctuary space

o increase the chances of happiness in this life, one born with Shani in bhava-3 must remain particularly *vigilant* against the onslaught of Shani's legacy of negative expectations upon these realms of perception.

Strong, favorable grahain these domains will significantly overridethe prognosis for frustration and interruption in domains 3, 5, 9 and 12. Yet the presence of Shani's drishti will be subtly noticeable. E.g., total blockage may turn to delay, or material handicap may manifest as psychological resistance - but Shani's karmic drishti will never be completely erased.

Conforming to the lowest common denominator:

• Oppression in the Sibling group

• bhava-3 = "siblings" which includes cousins, neighbor playmates, early schoolmates, etc. The keynote of bhava-3 is "competition".

• Shani forces Orderly interactions within the sibling/cousin group. Transactions must conform to the lowest common denominator = the least capable person in the group sets the standard. Variation from the set "law and order" norm is discouraged.

• In childhood, the sibling group imposes survival pressure to conform to parental expectations. Their conservative, self-protective values emphasize scarcity Of parental attention, formal rules for communicative interaction, and pressure to cooperate with other siblings in a specified, orderly, formal fashion.

• Parents may impose a tightly rule-drive, controlled communication style on their children, and withhold their affection unless the children conform to standards that emphasize order, quiet and self-restraint.

Self-made wealth,

• one's own family,

• formalization and conformity to rigorous conventional standards

• Shani limits access to self-made wealth in preference to conformity with the wage-earning classes. If Shani-2 has his own business or independent means of wealth (not means given by the family) then one's income by this method is meager, and one lives "close to the bone", although this situation can improve with time.

• Denied or delayed permission to establish one's own family, usually due to a perceived "need to wait" for material accumulations. (Upachaya - improves with time.)

  • From bhava-3, Shani casts drishti to both bhava of Children: bhava-5 and bhava-9. Expect production of childrento be slowand somewhat impeded, except during Guru periods.

  Native experiences discipline of strict formalizationupon the mentality. Writing, conversation, and small-group interaction, particularly conversation, are shaped and molded into conventional containers. Repeating the childhood training, adventure from the rigid, sanctioned form may be punished.

• bhava-3 being 7th-from-9th, relationships with professors, priests, gurus, moral and ceremonial authorities, are highly formalized. For this reason Shani-2 , while often highly skilledin formal academic and literary expressions, may not be invited into the academy.

• Limited opportunity for individualization in relationship to religion; conforms to the status quo.

When Shani occupies bhava-3, Shani-2 must be alert to the relationship between the domains aspected by Shani and the domains which give their "results" in domains 3, 5, 9, and 12.

Fruits of bhava-5 = bhava-3:

• Children and recognition for creative genius (5) are delayed. (Brihaspati drishti to bhava-5 shortens the delay.) bhava-5 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-3. The fruits of creativity and pro-creativity Are delayed byrigid,materialistic mentality = negative expectations =depression.

Fruits of bhava-7 = bhava-5:

• contracts and agreements (7). bhava-7 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-5. A central goal of marriage is typically to have children. bhava-5 contains many Oppressive experiences for Shani-2 due to the existing Shani drishti. Jaya bhava's program to marry, to form fruitful and balanced partnerships, will show the effect of reduced expectations. Shani-2 often marries a partner who also has minimal expectations for success of speculative ventures.

• bhava-5 is blocked by Shani drishti. Therefore t Shani-2expects the fruits of bhava-7 to be barren, "not possible" or "going nowhere". Shani's impact on Surya's natural bhava = swabhavais particularly harsh.

Fruits of bhava-11 = bhava-9:

• networks of friendship and marketplace profits(11). bhava-11 projects its wishes and goals (11th-from) upon bhava-9. bhava-9 is blocked by Shani drishti. Therefore Shani-2 expects the fruits of bhava-11 to be barren, "not possible" or "going nowhere".Desires to play a priestly role (such as professor or religious figure), to have grandchildren and students, to receive higher knowledge will receive a cool reception in the early years.

  Shani's drishti directly on to bhava-9 restricts access to the temples of knowledge (universities, academies, spiritual centers) which offer higher philosophical education -- beyond the basic socialization levels of education provided in bhava-4.Access to university graduate studies for example may be delayed until middle age. Shani delays access to religious wisdom-teachings due to Shani-2 's rigid and materialistic mentality. This limitation wizens with age however!

  Shani in bhava-3 contains the seed of belief that the "fruits" of privilege of the sangha or cognoscenti not viable; therefore in one's total thinking about networks of association, these negative expectations will limit one's faith in setting higher goals.

  As usual a strong graha occupying bhava-9 can mitigate Shani's drishti, perhaps reducing the strength of the limitations from blockage to resistance, or changing severe handicap to mere inconvenience.

  In any case, Shani's 7th drishti onto bhava-9 is not so strong as Shani's 3rd drishti onto bhava-5.

bhava-3 is an upachaya dushthamsha therefore matters of bhava-3 improve with maturity and self-knowledge.