Surya Ravi in Vyaya Bhava-12 = Sun in 12th house - BP Lama Jyotisha Vedic Astrology

Surya in a swabhava of Ravi's good friend Brihaspati radiates expansive, generous (Guru) personal charisma (Surya) in public ritual (9) and private guidance (12) roles =

spiritual guidance, prayer, and clandestine activities; foreign life
distant lands, imagination, dreams, bedroom, cloister, enclosure

creative, center-stage specialties =

diviner, trail guide, ferryman, shepherd, interpreter, conveyor, meditator, bridge-watcher

Just as a wise King fills the royal court with philosophers and priests, Surya the Royalist is well placed in a swabhava of Ravi's friend the religious-teacher Guru.

Spiritually the placement is beneficial but socially and psychologically However there is some struggle with lack (12) of recognition (Ravi) and recurring identity loss.

If Surya = strong (Mesha, Simha, Vrischika; yuti Mangala or yuti Guru in hot rashi)

one may have been a recognized royal figure in a recent past life; and the confusion caused by clinging to that outdated centrality can enforce a cycle of dream-time searching for continuing present-time recognition.

Ravi's inner glittering brilliance is still there but it is deeply enclosed within the private psyche and not really visible to the wider society.

Occasionally someone of socially central status (modern royalty, corporate executives, political heads of state) will recognize Surya-12 's remarkable qualities, usually in the context of a very private relationship.

Surya-12 may become instantly addicted (12) to the validation provided via restored recognition = one's absolute centrality (Surya) within that important person's universe.

However, especially for a female this is a difficult position socially: the recognizers are egoistic (Ravi) persons (for the female, typically males = Ravi) who may soon withdraw their praise and Surya-12 is plunged again into an un-admired darkness.

Spirit guides are active in this life and much imaginative personal intelligence (Surya) is engaged.

However the instructions of the ancestral Guides tend to direct one along a portion of the astral-to-material path (12) which develops the charismatic personal genius, speculative intelligence, and self-promotion through one's children (Surya)
rather than the channel which develops broadly inclusive intuitive wisdom via quiet interior dreams or reflective prayer which evokes the ever-present Divine (Guru).

Surya in 12 = seeks recognition for one's intelligence regarding a distant land. This imaginary foreign charisma is naturally somewhat dulled in one's day-to-day land of living, and Surya-12 may find that tone's life-force energy is drained out by constant re-engagement with a land or culture that no longer anchors the social personality.

Surya in 12 gives intelligence and charisma in the private, sequestered enclosure of the meditative imagination

"Lord of the Rings" writer J.R.R. Tolkien
"TM" Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

One holds a royal court - in one's dreams. "A legend on one's own mind."

There is a natural intuitive brightness which shines Divine Light upon clandestine and foreign operations;

UK-PM 1997-1990 Margaret Thatcher + Mangala
UK-PM 1997-2007 Tony Blair + Budha
Shah of Iran 1941-1979 Mohammad Reza Pahlavi + Budha
USA Pres-30 Calvin Coolidge + Shukra + Chandra + Kuja
USA Pres-39 Jimmy Carter
USA Pres-43 G W Bush
USA Pres-32 Franklin D. Roosevelt + Shukra
USA Pres-29, Warren G. Harding + Mangala + Shani + Budha

and international clandestine business dealings

corporate-culture icon Jack Welch + Guru

subconscious memories

distant and imaginary lands

J.R.R. Tolkien + Budha

bedroom pillow-talk

Larry King

or sanctuary-meditation and private prayer

Guru Ammachi, Mahatma Mohandas Gandhi.
"TM" Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

Surya in Vyaya bhava highlights the personal uniqueness of one's own dreams.

Surya brings intelligent ego-brightness to the traffic on the bridge between the astral plane (subconscious) and the material plane (conscious).

The spirit guides are very confident and assertive.

Surya in 12 also contributes to the dissolution of the fleshly identity. Surya's theatrical style and political approach to dealing with dream-like imagery tends to siphon off the vitality from the animal, blood-fed, muscular body and transmit the life-force back into the dream world. As a result Surya-12 becomes associated with identity loss.

One finds a central position in the drama of imagination-based behaviors, matters of intuition, visionary wisdom, path-finding, guidance from the ancestors and spirits out-of-body, art studio, library, laboratory, the bedroom, hotel rooms, hospital rooms, mediation halls and prayer sanctuary.

A brilliant imagination

Surya-12 's early ego development often occurs in a private, secluded environment where one has the experience of being a privileged persona, born into status of central importance, as a local celebrity, or royalty. Yet the environment is cloistered, in some variety of walled space or ghetto.
If Surya is strong, the father may hold a privileged position and perhaps he is also a charismatic personality in this secluded, protected, sanctuary environment.
The child may be praised for having a vivid imagination, and for playing alone or at least staying clear of the parent's business. Needing imaginary play-friends, the tiny child is welcomed into the world of spirit beings. As an adult, such a person is happy and often quite productive in environments where little is known about the playmates or colleagues, such as in foreign service, international relations etc. It is the same as the early play-world with imaginary kings and queens speaking fairy-languages.
The father is popular and admired, yet he has a private life which may not be known to the child. One's importance may depend largely on the father's local political influence.

Typical ego-development conditions may be upbringing on the private estate of a wealthy family, or perhaps within a protected compound such a religious or diplomatic mission, within the outpost of a foreign government such as live-in embassy quarters or a military command, or perhaps Surya-12 was raised as the child of an expatriate executive living in protected international satellite colonies of a powerful multinational corporation.
The child's intelligence and appearance might not be counted remarkable nor would Surya-12 have privileged status in the mainstream world of one's home culture, but foreign residence or the uniquely aristocratic status of one's father creates a special bubble of apparent distinction.
Surya-12 lives a happy life, ever believing in one's inherent centrality in life's drama and creative intelligence (if Surya-Mesha, also, leadership capability); yet demonstrating very little material output in areas where a strong Surya would be expected to shine socially: politics, theatre, literature, performance arts, speculations, amusements, and games.
The social personality is somewhat "standoff-ish" or "living in one's head".
Surya-12 is not selfish in the negative sense, but rather simultaneously disengaged from the business of self-promotion while holding the belief in one's innate importance.
It may strike outsiders as silly or pretentious, or a personality disorder of irrationally high self-estimation, but indeed Surya-12 is simply holding two rationally incompatible beliefs: first that one holds an ineffably superior entitlement in life (by blood, or by station, or by divine attention); and second that such an entitlement holds no mandate to material action.
There may be some expression of the creative intelligence toward the building of dormitories, ashrams, hospitals, foreign residences, and charitable works in general.
However overall Surya-12 does not utilize one's supposed extraordinary qualities for any measurable material purpose. However remarkable one may feel on the inside, on the outside, one will effectively blend in with the crowd.

Father

Surya in dushthamsha (6, 8, 12) = generally unfortunate for the father.

Surya-12 indicates that the father's identity has receded largely into the realm of fantasy for the native, so that one may honor him and believe in him but there is little factual knowledge basis for a social relationship to him.

Often the Surya-12 child develops an elaborate imaginative construct about the father which is noble and bright in character, but is nevertheless a phantasm.

The father may be extremely busy with research or other cloistered duties,

hold a job far distant from the family home visiting only infrequently G W Bush

hospitalized for a chronic illness Eleanor Roosevelt father alcohol poisoning)

or even, having abandoned the family, completely unknown to Surya-12

The dramatist Orlando Bloom is an interesting example: his purported father was actually his step-father. The step-father died when young Bloom was four. He grew up believing that his father had passed to the next world (12) and left the family bereft of a solar influence. In Rahu/Surya period, young teen Bloom found out that his bio father is actually a still-living "family friend" - as if the Father had resurrected. (Surya Dhanushya + Mangala + Budha.)

Vrihaspati's swabhava is a hospitable resting place for Surya.

Presuming the rashi is supportive, Surya is karaka for the Soul, and Ravi benefits the spiritual development when in Vyayasthana. Not religious in the conventional ritual sense. Purely spiritual.

Surya-12 likes to wander in foreign lands, usually with a self-validationpurpose such as recovery of past-life knowledge or political engagement with foreign lands.
International perspective on all things; if Surya is strong this is the ruling international elite .
Ego-identified with private agreements, closed-door meetings and under-the-table dealings. Since these are the daily doings of political advancement, politicians often benefit from Surya/12.

Typically the nativity with Surya-12 carries a feeling of being a foreigner .

One is ego-identified with a land in which one is not currently living. Whether one is living in the land of one's birth but has ego-attachment to somewhere else, or one is living somewhere else (usually for a long time) and has ego-attachment to the homeland or even a third land, Surya-12 with Ravi in the ego-dissolving house of dreams and bridge to astral reality is never quite settled .

One seeks praise and recognition for one's private imagination , and ability to relate to those from foreign lands .
That is the reason why so very many distinguished international leaders in business and government have the seemingly peculiar placement of Surya in the obscure 12th house: modern leadership is inherently about bright and positive interactions with people who seem a bit distant and dreamy, because the interlocutor's identity is grounded in a foreign land.

Surya perceives identity in other worlds

Karaka for a Foreign Identity. Often Surya-12 was born in and is socially identified with a culture foreign to the land of one's passport. If a native son, will be more famous outside the land of one's birth than amongst one's countrymen.

international attention upon world leaders Bush-43, Carter, Thatcher, Putin very probably exceeded the attention paid them by residents of their own lands.

Powerful willpower targeted upon the vision of a better, more ethical world .Strong international identity; not a parochial ego.

May be a gifted contemplative philosopher, but the material manifestation of the house ruled by Surya will be expressed in a 'dissolved' style, primarily via the imagistic channel of dreams.
"Head in the clouds" and impractical in profession.
Fantasizes oneself in many important or dramatic social roles, but unless other graha support a distinguished career, Surya in 12 cannot itself materialize the fantasy of recognition.
Lacking kendra support, Surya-12 may remain unrecognized, "hiding one's light under a barrel".

Confusion between real and imagined social identities can make a creative theatrical performer or a criminal impostor, depending on all the other graha in the nativity. Surya-12 may indeed live two lives: one, the heroic idealized fantasy life, and the other, the timid, reality.

If Surya is lagnesha, Surya-12 may be a may be a public icon who brings the world of private imagination into the light of publicity ( Madonna). Lacking other planetary ego supports, one stays hidden in some reclusive place.

Meditative daydreams and fantasiesof social importance, royal or celebrity recognition, enlightenment, brilliance, winnings, feats of courage, and eternal life emerge from past-life memories. Surya-12 was indeed a person of high creativity in a past life. By default, graha in bhava-12 are 'dissolved' into astral imagery. Whether this distinction will manifest again in the current life depends on the supporting graha.

The celebrities and world leaders featured in the column to the left are examples of nativities = Surya in 12 + other "structural" supports to the ego such as empowered graha in kendra. They were royal persons in past lives, and they were able to continue high levels of public recognition in the current life altho not (or rarely) in the divine-right regal role.

Internationalism and an ability to serve as an iconic representative of the collective unconscious are two common features of Ravi/12.
Favors scientific research into social patterns of celebrity recognition and into the psychology of will-power.

Surya in 12 = strong for Vrishabha lagna, Simha lagna, Kanya lagna, and Dhanau lagna.

Surya-12 's early ego development often occurs in a private, secluded environment wherein one enjoys life as a privileged persona, born into status of celebrity, royalty, or creative distinction.

The father

may hold a privilegedposition; perhaps he is also a ccharismatic personality in this protected, sanctuary environment. The father is popular and admired; yet he has a private life which is unknown to the child (dalliance, espionage, etc).

For Dhanau, the father is likely a politician or theatrical actor. For Vrishabha, he has military or athletic success. For Kanya lagna, the father has some status akin to royalty while he is stationed in a foreign land. For Simha, the child is socially identified with the father as parent, but the father is absent; perhaps the papa is stationed abroad or only a glamorous figure in the child's imagination. In Madonna's case, her widowed father remarried and while remaining financially responsible, nevertheless withdrew psycho-emotionally from his daughter's life.

Typical ego-development conditions may include: upbringing on the private estateof a distinguished family ( Eleanor Roosevelt), or perhaps within a protected compound such a religious or diplomatic mission, within the outpost of a foreign government such as live-in embassy quarters or a military command, or perhaps Surya-12 was raised as the child of an expatriate executive living in protected international satellite colonies of a powerful multinational corporation.
Compare to G W Bush - 43, who was raised in a privileged compound and later in dormitories of private schools, but whose Surya occupies Mithuna rashi, and thus he mingled comfortably with those of diverse backgrounds.)

The child's intelligence and appearance might not be counted remarkable nor would then native have privileged status in the mainstream world of one's home culture, but the unique conditions of foreign residenceor the unique 'foreign dignitary' status of one's father creates a special bubble of apparent superiority, talent, or moral virtue.

Surya-12 lives a peculiar, not unhappy life, ever believingin one's own inherent moral clarity and creative intelligence (if Surya-Mesha, belief in one's leadership capability). Yet, one demonstrates very little material output in areas where a strong Surya, were it not sequestered in 12, would shine: politics, theatre, literature, performance arts, speculations, amusements, and games.

The social personality is rather proudlyreserved, self-centered but not flamboyant, and persistently standoffish. If L-11 or its lord is strong, this native may be quite goal-oriented and build a large network of instrumental friendships, but one's aristocratic airs may still be felt.

Surya-12 is not selfish in the negative sense, but rather one is disengaged from the business of self-promotionwhile simultaneously convinced of one's innate royal superiority. It is a difficult juxtaposition of convictions (Ravi) which creates a permanent "foreigner" identity; defined by a deep astral voice announces that one is a radiant, elegant, and privileged strangerin one's own land.

Surya-12 may often refer to imaginary glory daysin another land or another time. Surya-12 's public behavior may strike outsiders as pretentious or unjustifiable based on the typically rather mundane conditions of the material life.

If Surya + Rahu or Surya + Ketu, Surya-12 may even be perceived to show a personality disorder of irrationally high self-estimation. But indeed Surya-12 is simply holding two rather internally inconsistent beliefs: first that one holds an ineffably superior entitlement in life (by blood, or by station, or by divine attention); and second that such an entitlement of intelligence or holds no mandate to material action on behalf of others.

There may be some expression of the creative intelligence toward the building of dormitories, ashrams, hospitals, foreign residences, and international charitable works.

However unless other, more motivated graha accompany Surya/12, overall Surya-12 does not utilize one's supposed extraordinary qualities for much material purpose. No matter how exemplary one may feel on the inside -- on the outside, one will easily blend in with the crowd.

Dramatic exceptions caused by strong companion graha in 12 include Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt who was high-born to spectacularly dysfunctional parents, but instead of following them into mental and physical illness, she because extremely active in charitable works and foreign embassy. Note Mrs. Roosevelt's power-house Budha-Surya-Chandra-Mangala yoga in bhava-12!

Privacy

Surya in bhava-12 tends to "hide one's light under a bushel".

Surya-12 channels divine creativity primarily through works of the imagination, or through intense ego-engagement with foreign lands. Strong ego-identity as a foreigner regardless of the country of birth or permanent residence.

There is much more to this person than meets the public eye. Full social recognition of one's personal genius is filtered and physical vitality is somewhat reduced as well.
Damages the relationship to the father: either loss of a father by death or social-emotional dissolution of the relationship to the father.

Exception: parivartamsha yoga with the L-1 ( Madonna) may provide extreme publicity for the private, imaginative imagery and worldwide recognition.

USA Pres.43 G W Bush [parivartamsha L-1+L-3]
USA Pres-39, Jimmy Carter [parivartamsha L-11 Surya+L-12 Budha]
UK-PM Margaret Thatcher
Rus. Pres. Vladimir Putin
Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt
Guru Ammachi
Mahatma Mohandas Gandhi
Jack Welch (billionaire businessman) [double parivartamsha L-1+L-12; L-10+L-11]
Madonna [parivartamsha L-12 Chandra+L-1 Surya]

Ravi's intelligence and romantic, self-admiring mentality tend to disappear when He is plunged into the imaginative, private depths of the 12th Bhava of dreams and sanctuary.

Surya-12 may be foreign-born. One brings, as personality structure, a set of ideals from the first culture which cannot be fully recognized in the culture into which one has migrated.

The father is a distant and poetic figure, not real. The father may feel entitled to maintaining a distance from the Surya-12 child as a fair consequence of his public duties.

Trouble for the eyes or sensitive to sulfurous fumes; glamour and glory in the private bedroom. Object of the fantasy lives of others.

If Ravi is strong by rashi, the child romanticizes one's distant father as an icon of royal elegance. If Ravi is weak, more softness and compassion but the father is still narcissistic or at the best prone to a self-romanticizing philosophical view.

There is little need to criticize shortcomings from the ideal standard within the world of dreams, meditation, and the imagination. Surya-12's inner light burns brightly and one harbors many perfect images. The intelligence does not find full expression and one's children are not quite perfect. Yet Surya-12 does not experience or express very much conscious conflict between real and ideal.

One's radiant, show-off, demonstrative public-personality energy is largely absorbed into the private aesthetic reflections, when it is consciously emergent at all.

Surya-12 is king of an imaginary kingdom.

Das / Behari says of Surya in 12

"You are interested in the real essence of manifestation.

Having withdrawn from the objective plane of existence, the soul dwells in subjective reality.

It produces spiritual forces strong enough to counteract or restrict development along purely materialistic lines.

Since one's father represents the creative energy in man and thus leads to the furtherance of manifested creation,
the Sun (father) in the Twelfth is not favorable for your biological father,
nor do you waste your vital energy in creative channels.

You withdraw from the path of going forth, on which you get involved in materiality.

You are not interested in money, marriage, social status, and so on.

Some may therefore consider you anti-social.

Eye trouble; victor in competition;

self-controlled and success in everything you lay your hand on;
free from physical pain;
success in obscure or unpopular occupation;
trouble from uncle who may meet danger in journey.

Your eyes and uncle are hard hit;

unexpected loss of wealth on the way;

strange sickness; mercurial temperament;

convert and heretic;
scared of the leader and thieves;
anti-social and irreligious.

Blessed with son and fortitude;

physically deformed;

A wanderer.

Foolish, sexy, debauch, cruel.

Barren spouse,

hostility to father,

weak and mean.

Sun in the 12th causes damage to the right eye.

Much expenditure through the government (by way of taxes, fines etc.) "

file update: 14-May-2013

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