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Parents and Grandparents
Relatives living in the Home
see also BPHS: Kinship = "Constant Karakatwa" = Planetary Significators of Family Members
a parenting tale: "Later" by Michael Foster
~~ Kahlil Gibran
You may give them your love but not your thoughts.
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls.
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit,
not even in your dreams.
sambhukaraka = Chandra
Chandra = significator for all things related to parents (sambhu)
matters of the Father predictable from Surya Lagna
dramatist, philanthropist Angelina Jolie
Father = Surya lagna Vrishabha (rashi of Surya's enemy Shukra) + Budha + Ketu. The father is sensual (Vrishabha) articulate (Budha) and gainful (Surya 11) and so will be the native (L-2 in 11) yet Lord Ketu is very problematic here as an agent of scattering and distance.
Paternal grandfather (father's mother) = Kumbha = bhava-8. This personality is hidden during the present lifetime. Lord Shani in 5th from 8th = vyaya bhava, creates a voice of responsibility, limitation, and obligation speaking from the subconscious (12). The personality of the paternal grandmother may have been secluded or isolated via a distant land.
Paternal grandmother (father's father) = Kanya = 3. This fellow was probably well-known in his own area of expertise, because Kanya = karakamsha. Budha + Ketu + Surya suggests that the native 's father was similar in personality and appearance to his own father, but that these men due to their careers are somewhat scattered or wandering in their behavior. the native may find both her own father and her paternal grandfather to be rather inscrutable characters.
Because Ms. Jolie's father is a public figure (the actor John Voight) it is known that her father's elder brother was a university professor while his younger brother was a noted romantic songwriter. 11th from Surya = 9 university (a complex of graha showing a complex personality); 3rd from Surya = Shukra music songs.
matters of the Mother predictable predictable from Chandra Lagna
dramatist, philanthropist Angelina Jolie
Mother = Chandra lagna Meena-Revati, in auspicious dharma bhava forming Chandra-Mangala-yoga with swakshetra Guru. Ms. Jolie manifested a highly favorable and fortunate mother overall.
Elder sibling = 11th-from-Chandra = Makara. No graha in Makara, and Lord Shani occupies Mithuna-12. This relationship is defined by Shani-obligation-restriction and whatever content it has is hidden from the public.
Maternal grandmother (mother's mother) = Dhanushya = bhava-6. Working class personality (6) yet the lord Guru is favorable for long-term comfort, and the maternal grandmother is philosophical.
Maternal grandfather (mother's father) = Karkata containing Shukra. It could be said from a Jyotisha perspective that Ms. Jolie gets most of her striking grace and beauty from her mother's father. Shukra is favorable from the Karkata lagna, yet Shukra is not a friend of the Moon, so despite nice material improvement in the grandparents' lifestyle there might have been a bit of culture conflict across the generations.
Overall Ms. Jolie is well supported on her mother's side of the family via Chandra, Guru, and Shukra.
Several astrologers hold that the 10th house governs father whereas you say in your books that the 9th rules father. Which is correct?
Whatever may be the views of the several astrologers you refer to regarding the house ruling father, experience has clearly shown that the 9th is pitrusthana or house of father.
Apart from these authoritative views, take the horoscopes of persons whose fathers are well off in life, and you will invariable find the 9th and its lord strongly and beneficially disposed."
|~~ George Burns||
"Happiness is having a large, loving, caring, close-knit family
in another city."
|BPHS Ch. 7, Shloka 39-43||"Dharma Bhava and the 9th from Surya deal with one's father."|
|Valmiki Ramayana, 2.111.2||
From birth, there are three instructors of a man:
his guru, his father and his mother.
Matru Satrutwa Yoga: It occurs to us that
when the lords of the Navamshas
in which the Moon in the horoscopes of the mother and son are placed,
Are mutual enemies,
cordial feelings do not exist between them.
|from ~~ Louise Hay "You Can Heal Your Life"||
"I Believe That We Choose Our Parents
Each one of us decides to incarnate upon this planet at a particular point in time and space. We have chosen to come here to learn a particular lesson that will advance us upon our spiritual, evolutionary pathway.
Then, when we grow up, we usually point our fingers accusingly at our parents and whimper, "You did it to me." But really, we chose them because they were perfect for what we wanted to work on overcoming.
We learn our belief systems as very little children, and then we move through life creating experiences to match our beliefs. Look back in your own life and notice how often you have gone through the same experience.
Well, I believe you created those experiences over and over because they mirrored something you believed about yourself. It doesn't really matter how long we have had a problem, or how big it is, or how life-threatening it is. "
Sample Parent Charts
General patterns according to lagna:
Chandra = Mother.
In general, Kumbha lagna and Kumbha-Chandra natives have predictable difficulties with the Mother's health, her tendency to get into a conflicted relationship with others, and her financial indebtedness. Mother will probably have many redeeming qualities but her health is at issue and perhaps she is a health care professional also. Kumbha's mother is a service worker or servant or person of humble stature almost always.
In general, Dhanushya natives have a pattern of Mother being rather mysterious, secretive, and perhaps changing her personality or appearance a bit too often to permit the child to feel entirely secure.
In general, Simha lagna experiences Mother as an exceptional private person, withdrawn from the excitement of daily life, and often for Simha the Mother is also an alien in some sense, a foreigner, yearning for a distant land. In practical terms Mother may be a midlife or late life immigrant to a new land or region who never quite adjusted. Perhaps she followed the will of her husband's family and never felt quite comfortable in their customs. There can be numerous reasons why but the outcome is a withdrawn, prayerful, inward-looking mom who does not live life fully.
General patterns according to lagna:
Surya = Father.
In general, Meena lagna and Meena-Chandra natives have predictable difficulties with the Father's health, his tendency to get into a conflicted relationship with others, and his financial indebtedness. Father will probably have many redeeming qualities but his health is at issue and perhaps he is a health care professional also. Meena's father is a service worker or servant or person of humble stature almost always.
In general, Makara natives have a pattern of Father being rather mysterious, secretive, and perhaps changing his personality or appearance a bit too often to permit the child to feel entirely secure.
In general, Kanya lagna experiences Father as an exceptional private person, withdrawn from the excitement of daily life, and often for Kanya the Father is also an alien in some sense, a foreigner, yearning for a distant land. In practical terms Father may be a midlife or late life immigrant to a new land or region who never quite adjusted. Perhaps he followed the will of his wife's family or his company or other authority, and never felt quite comfortable in the necessary customs. There can be numerous reasons why but the outcome is a withdrawn, prayerful, inward-looking dad who does not live life fully.
A child's relationship to the parents is primarily and profoundly emotional. Although many public, external details of the mother's and father's material attributes may be detected in the 4th (mother) and 9th (father) domains as measured from radix lagna, the child's own perception and evaluation of his parents as loving or distant, helpful or negligent, easy or difficult, will be more accurately portrayed via 4th- and 9th- from Chandra.
Moon is the emotional core of being, the center of one's psychic sea. It is essential to measure the effect of the parents first from the point which represents the emotional core: Chandra lagna.
The mother may have an exalted social position such as a respected moral authority schoolteacher (perhaps Soma in radix bhava-4 or bhava-9) yet 4th-from-Chandra may contain a malefic that reveals bitterness or emotional repression at home. The child may experience the mother as less than wonderful.
Always compare radix bhava-4 to the 4th-from-Chandra to gain a clearer picture of the tender, personality-catalyzing early childhood years at home.
Similarly for father, the 9th-from-Chandra gives a much more accurate view of the child's emotional relationship to his father than bhava-9 of radix which indicates the father's public, priestly behaviors.
In any nativity, Step-mother can be indicated by disruptive influences upon radical bhava-4.
If there is some destabilizing, upsetting factor in the 4th sthana which might suggest sudden changes to the mother or to the foundations of life, then the placement of Chandra in 11 becomes auspicious for forming a healthy and self-advancing relationship with the father's second wife.
Chandra-11 also indicates a maternal-style nourishing and protective relationship with any women who enter the life in the role as an agent of "suddenly changed home" 8th-from-4th.
Naturally, bhava-6 is a troublesome bhava, associated with broken contracts, jealousy, and internal imbalance. The mother's relatives especially her siblings and especially her younger siblings are on a par with servants of the house. They drain her commitment to her marriage contract.
Chandra in bhava-6 shows the mother firmly attached to her siblings no matter what trouble may arise. And bhava-being the house of trouble, there will be plenty of it.
In traditional societies where the mother's younger siblings may be housed in her husband's home, the mother's siblings are often kept as servants either to her or to the household (4).
bhava-11 is much more gainful but as 6th-from-6th, the father's relatives are necessarily at loggerheads with the mother's relatives. The child grows up with a natural understanding of the different agendas between the two groups which are bound in delicate alliance by one's parents.
The most extreme animosity between mother's family and father's family is indicated by certain yogas, such as Chandra in 6 + Surya in 11 (each parent is identified very strongly with their own family, and the two in-law families are unappreciative of each other); or perhaps a dushtamsha lord in either bhava-6 or bhava-11.
Parenting is a profoundly emotional behavior which is driven by habit, fear, and dogma as well as love, hope, and brilliant ideals. Some parents indulge their children; some are disciplinarians; some insist on absolute obedience; others are great believers in creativity, exploration, and learning from colossal mistakes. Naturally parenting is influenced by the culture of origin; and parenting style is nearly pre-determined by the conditions of one's own childhood, whether for better or worse.
In preparation for marriage, one of the first and most important negotiating points will be the matter of children and their upbringing. If children are to be brought into the union, what level of agreement can be reached about how to raise them? This is not a trivial question, as more than a few divorces present incompatible parenting as their primary complaint.
To assess one's own parenting style, look to the way in which one was raised:
Are the two partners' parenting styles at loggerheads? The conflict or incommensurability might be negotiable if its terms are understood.
A profile of the behavioral and psychological traits of the mother and father may be obtained using the native s own birth chart.
Below, the nativity of a woman whose hard-working father had chronic difficulties in successfully taking advice and maintaining relationships (including marriage).Father-lagna = 9th-from-Chandra = Vrischika.
From Vrischikha, the father's relationships =7th-from = Ketu; furthermore, Ketu's lord and karaka for relationships = Shukra = in the relative 8th-from-Vrischika.
The male native below suffers from chronic alcoholism. B. V. Raman's classic profile for Alcoholism = Mesha or Kanya lagna + affliction to Shukra. In the nativity, see Mesha-Chandra + Shukra badly afflicted by Ketu (proximity within 1 degree).
According to the native , his deceased father was also an alcoholic, thrice-married, and generally dissatisfied in his relationships with women. Native's father = 9th-from-Chandra = Dhanusha. From Dhanusha lagna, Shukra + Ketu occupies relative 6th house.
Shukra/6 = a common Jyotisha indicator for alcoholism, diabetes, and sugar-starch imbalances; plus chronic conflict with the sweet things in life, especially women. Shukra + Ketu = a low/no boundaries problem; the native will pleasure-binge, causing (eventually severe) depletion of life vitality. Native's father died quite young.
Eleanor Roosevelt's father = 9th-from-Chandra = Karkata. Shukra is terribly afflicted in 3rd-from-Karkata. Shukra = neechcha + Rahu. Her father had a great deal of trouble with sexual profligacy and various addictions (including alcohol); he died in an insane (3) asylum.
Although tests for venereal (Shukra) disease were not given to the aristocracy in those days, and Shani/Mithuna rules 8th-from-Karkata so that the facts of the case may forever be shrouded in a 'news blackout', the Jyotisha nativity suggests that he may have died from syphilis (neechcha Shukra + Rahu).
Conditions of death may be known from the 8th, or from 8th-from-8th, = bhava-3.
Hillary Rodham Clinton has expressed great admiration for her father's life and moral character. She resembles her father physically as well. 9th-from-Chandra = Thula, the native 's own lagna.
Thula lagna hosts the neechcha-bhanga Surya (very strong will-power!) plus swakshetra Shukra (attractive and diplomatic) plus the L-9+L-12 Budha (religiosity particularly prayer).
Clearly Mrs. Clinton's relationship to her father was very positive. Because 9th-from-Chandra = her own lagna, her life duplicates her father's successes (and his failures) in many ways.
< G. W. Bush - 43's father, as experienced by the native = 9th-from-Chandra = Rahu in Vrishabha . The implication is that the younger Bush experiences his father G.H.W. Bush-41 as a man whose life is mainly directed by a profound and perhaps obsessive desire (Rahu) for money, capital, beauty, music, wines, fine fabrics, wealth, luxuries, and every variety of sensual pleasure.
In the younger George Bush's nativity, the father-house Vrishabha occupies 11th-from-son's radix, suggesting that his father's main role in the son's life was as a supreme networker, connecting the son to an extraordinary international (Rahu) network of the tremendously wealthy. Rahu's lord Shukra occupies the native 's lagna, indicating a strong bond of money, pleasure, and attractive physical appearance between the father and the son.
Karakas for Parents:
Surya and Chandra are the primary karakas of Father and Mother.
Afflictions to Chandraindicate trouble in the mother's core personality or perhaps damage to her appearance. Neechcha Chandra unless rescued via parivartamsha nearly always indicates a fundamentally difficult emotional relationship to the mother. Measure her life experience from one's own Chandra lagna.
For example, the actress Jennifer Aniston has a Vrischika Chandra yuti her L-6 Mangala. Naturally there is conflict and disappointment with the mother. While Chandra-Mangala yoga is excellent for money, it is very damaging to the relationship with the mother; the press has reported that Ms. Aniston refused to speak with her mother for many years.
bhava-4 represents the native 's childhood family home. typically the home culture is dominated by the mother and her relatives. 4th-from-Chandra = the mother's childhood home. (Naturally the mother will reproduce her childhood home conditions as the environment in which she raises her own children.)
bhava-10 represents the spouse's parentsin their leadership and public role-modeling behaviors. For insight into the spouse's mother in particular, see 4th-from-7th-from-Chandra and its lord.
Individually, the spouse's fathermay be seen through bhava-3, from 9th-from-7th-from-Chandra, (and its lord) or via 9th-from the house of the current marriage.
In Jyotisha, as in any type of divinatory reading, There is no one single indicatorwhich proves a correct assessment.
Divination is the science of symbolic pattern recognition.
A correct assessment depends on recognition ofpatterns Andrecurring signals.
Ideally there should be at least one important indicator in each of the relevant vargaswhich invokes and confirms the recurring pattern.
For matters regarding parents, The important vargasare D-1, D-9, and D-12.
Different siblings = different parental effects:
Single-parent homes, adoptive homes, grandparent's home, creative non-traditional homes:
Different kinds of mothers, loss of birth mother, single mothers andamp; Surya
Profile of father is composed by combining the effects of:
Profile of the Father
Surya and dharma bhava will give a clear profile of the father's public position, and the status his society applies to him.
The father who is steady, reliable, and responsible in public life will be exhibited in the D-1 as a dignified Sun, or a well-aspected 9th house.
Generally after the age of 32 we can read the person's life from Chandra lagna just as well or better as from D-1 lagna.
Afflictions to 9th and 9th lord give early death of father. 9th lord in 8th is a typical setup for early death of father.
9th-from-lagna or 9th-from-Surya [whichever is stronger] in the D-12 Dwadashamsha should be considered along with D-1 factors, for getting the full picture of the father. [Must have an accurate birth-time to obtain an accurate varga.]
Profile of Mother is gained through examination of:
The human being's relationship to his/her mother is the most intense and grounding psycho-emotional bond within the entire incarnation. This bond forms the secure (or not) foundation for all later endeavors.
The mother is assigned to give the child unconditional love. If she succeeds in that assignment all will be well for the child in later life. If she fails, and substitutes conditional love (or no love at all), the child will struggle terribly unless and until they are mature enough to recognize that unconditional love can be accessed directly from the divine.
If you have a troubled Moon your spirit is quite likely trying to show you a fast-track to pure and everlasting love! However the childhood must be a dark night of the soul in order for this path of later spiritual consciousness to develop.
Afflictions to 4th and 4th lord give early death of mother. 4th lord in a dushthamsha house, or harsh aspects to Moon or 4th lord, is a typical setup for early death of mother.
The D-12 = Dwadashamsha aids development of the full profile of the mother.
If present in this lifetime, yourstep-parents = 8th from the previous parent.
Stepmother = = transformation of the form of the mother = 8th -from-4th = 11th-bhava
Naturally if unfortunate graha occupy bhava-11, there could be plenty of drama in the stepmother department. L-6 in 11 forecasts animosity, esp jealousy, of the step-mother. However, if conditions in 11 are favorable -- especially if Chandra itself occupies labha bhava, there can be excellent results.
Step-father = transformation of the form of the father = 8th -from-9th = 4th-bhava
Chandra is the lagna for the emotional experience created by any type of relationship.
Chandra-lagna itself represents the birth-mother or primary caretaker in this life. Use Chandra-lagna as a baseline to measure all relative emotional relationships from one's own intimately emotional perspective.
Follow this logic of counting either parent's subsequent marriages (2nd, 9th, 4th, 11th, etc.) from the parent, = 8th-from-previous-opposite gender parent (8th, 3rd, 10th, 5th, etc.) to find the right person.
Counting either by marriages or by parent-replacements will get to the same place! In our era where third, fourth, and fifth marriages are increasingly common, this type of counting is very handy in finding the profile of the step-parent in question.
If one has a direct emotional relationship with a person, then measure the correct distance from the Moon to find the emotional qualities.
9th-from-Chandra = father and maternal grandfather; who are of course not the same person! See material differences in bhava-9 for father vs. bhava-11 for maternal grandfather, and also note the lords of these two different houses within the dwadashamsha.
-- A. S. Byatt
Motherhood has meant that I have written four fewer books,
but I know much more about life.
|From Kindness, Clarity, and Insight 25th Anniversary Edition by The Fourteenth Dalai Lama, His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso, ed. .trans. Jeffrey Hopkins, co-ed. Elizabeth Napper, p 44||"In order to have a sense of closeness and dearness for others, you first train in acknowledging their kindness through using as a model a person in this lifetime who was very kind to yourself and then extending this sense of gratitude to all beings. Since, in general, in this life your mother was the closest and offered the most help, the process of meditation begins with recognizing all other sentient beings as like your mother. "|
Q: when it comes to gleaning some information about the spiritual significance that one's paternal great uncle (granduncle) may play in one's life, to what house and/or planet should one investigate? Concerning the appropriate astrological entity to look at, I suspect that Rahu is the right one, though I'm not entirely sure. And, I can't really ascertain from what house one should extract such information.
If you mean the brother of the father of one's father, then the lagna (baseline) will be either Surya, or 9th-from-Chandra, or dharma bhava, or the lord of bhava-9.
As a first choice, take Surya as the lagna for material matters regarding the father.
However using 9th-from-Chandra as the lagna for finding answers to emotional matters within the family may be more fruitful.
Do both countings, one from Surya-lagna and one from the bhava which is 9th-from-Chandra; compare results.
Let us choose Surya as the baseline (appreciating that one may need to try the other baselines also depending on the nature of the question regarding the agent who is the grand-uncle).
First, find the father of the father = one's paternal grandfather
Then, depending on whether the brother of the paternal grandfather = grand-uncle is elder or younger to the grandfather, count either clockwise 3 to the 3rd-from this house (younger sibling) or counterclockwise 3 to the 11th from this house (elder sibling).
If the sibling in question is not the immediate younger (3rd-from) but rather the younger-to-the-younger, go forward twice: 3rd-from = immediate younger, 3rd-from-3rd or five houses clockwise forward = the sibling immediately younger than one's immediate younger. In big families (like mine!) you might need to keep a record of who matches what house.
For inside emotional dynamics within a family, always count from Chandra. However for other matters such as public position count from Surya for men.
Wishing you best success in Jyotisha studies,
Barbara Pijan Lama, Jyotisha
|~~ H.H. Dalai Lama, An Open Heart: Practicing Compassion in Everyday Life. Nicholas Vreeland (Ed.), afterword by Khyongla Rato and Richard Gere.||
"If we have been reborn time after time, it is evident that we have needed many mothers to give birth to us.... the first cause bringing about bodhicitta is the recognition that all beings have been our mother.
The love and kindness shown us by our mother in this life would be difficult to repay. She endured many sleepless nights to care for us when we were helpless infants. She fed us and would have willingly sacrificed everything, including her own life, to spare ours.
Such a thought should bring about our Appreciation.
Therefore, it is clear that we must try to free all sentient beings from suffering. "
~~ H.H. Dalai Lama. (2003). Stages of Meditation.
Ven. Geshe Lobsang Jordhen, Losang Choephel Ganchenpa, and Jeremy Russell (Trans.).
"What do we mean when we speak of a truly compassionate kindness?
Others wish to avoid misery as much as we do.
So a compassionate person feels concerned when others are miserable
and develops a positive intention to free them from it.
As ordinary beings,
It is important not to confuse attachment and compassion....
A compassionate thought is motivated by a wish to help release beings from their misery."
~~ H. H. Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama's Book of Awakening
"What is bodhichitta? In Maitreya's 'Abhisamayalamkara', bodhichitta is described as having two motivating factors:
Indeed, to develop the altruistic mind of bodhichitta, it is not enough to have more compassion. Bodhichittamust be based on a compassion which carries a sense of responsibility so that you are willing to take upon yourself the task of helping others."
Everyone Has Been a Mother
"The fact remains that the birth cycles of all sentient beings are beginningless,
and that countless times in previous lives we have each fulfilled the role of a mother.
Recognizing this children should be grateful to their mothers
and express their gratitude by performing virtuous deeds. "
|~~ H.H. Dalai Lama. (2004). 365 Dalai Lama: Daily Advice from the Heart, Matthieu Ricard (Ed.)||
"We depend on others from the moment we are conceived.
Compassion(a core element of parenting)
~~ H.H. Dalai Lama and Alexander Berzin. (1997). The Gelug/Kagyu Tradition of Mahamudra.
"The Sanskrit word for compassion, karuna, has the implication of "that which blocks or prevents bliss."
In general, when we develop compassion,
we develop very strongly the attitude that cannot bear the suffering of other beings.
We wish for it to end and for them to become free.
Only the power of a union of method andamp; wisdom-- namely the union of compassion,
as a greatly blissful awareness, and the discriminating awareness of voidness --
allows us to attain the total release of supreme nirvana, namely enlightenment. "
"And now my friends,
all that is true, all that is noble,
all that is just and pure,
all that is loveable and gracious,
whatever is excellent and admirable -
fill all your thoughts with these things."
~~ Epistle to the Philippians 4:8
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