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Most difficult bhava = 3,4,5,6,11

Shri Shri Ganapati

Rashi Lagna


Om Sri Ram Dasrathaye Namah

12 Bhava

counted from Thula Lagna

Phul (fruits) = applies as well or better to Thula-Chandra lagna

Bhava 1 - Thula

  • Appearances , Clothing Style

  • Physical Body, Social Personality,

  • Metonymic, Iconic-Symbolic or Photo-Image representations


Lagnesha Shukra rules a natural house = swabhava of neutral Kuja.

Bhava-1 signifies personal competition for social validation through a winning combination of physical behaviors and traits.


The Thula native seeks to develop the physical personality identity through association with Attorneys and conflict resolution through the law courts, negotiation and brokering, making of contracts and alliances, and relationships which enhance mutual wealth and pleasure of the partners.

The social personality has an inherent affinity for balancing and arranging, Architecture and design, works of fine art and musical composition, and luxurious surroundings. the native is particularly influenced by one's partners,both personal and professional (whether favorably or not); one prefers an aesthetic response to life.

  • Thula natives are generally agreeable, design-loving, harmony-seeking, alliance-building folk who have a strong aesthetic interest in counseling and advisingothers.

  • They strive to maintain a competitively attractivepersonality and physical appearance.


Thula, Life, and Death

Shukra's co-lordship of bhava-8 Vrishabha can be problematic, at least in the public perception. Thula can, ironically, seem rather macabre in the extent of one's tolerance for the violenceof the cycle of death-and-rebirth.

Thula accepts death as an aesthetically vital part of life's constant re-balancing, and Thula does not complain about the necessity of having to die in exchange for the possibility of a better new life.

  • For the Thula native, both of the natural houses of Mangala are ruled by Shukra.

  • Thus Thula possesses has a surprising and peculiarly aesthetic appreciation for the shocking beauty of traumatic disasters(8, the natural specialty of Mangala) and forced, catastrophic change of all types(8). (Particularly the Vishaka Shakti-folk!)

Thula natives love mysteries and secrets(8).

  • One holds a broad affection (Shukra) for matters of birth (1) and re-birth (8); of creation (1) and destruction (8); of appearances (1) and disappearances (8); of the beauty of the stable physical human form (1) and its sudden transformation through surgery, psychotherapy, psychic healing, emergency, tantric magic, or other catastrophic style of rebirth.

  • Thus this native is a lover of both birth and death, stability and change, mass and energy, form and content.

The Thula native may be a skilled director of stable, harmonious relationships and good design in all things. Yet, one is simultaneously quite aware of the presence of those cyclical forces which cause the death of relationships (8), and which eventually create the perfect conditions for the death of ones own self (8).


Physical Appearance

  • Balanced physical features, tendency toward a more fair or pastel type of complexion, relative to the patterns within one's genetic group. (However a strong influence from Kuja can darken the overall coloring, and Guru casts a golden glow.)

  • the native is attractive to both men and women.


In addition to being naturally gifted with physical beauty (presuming Shukra is auspicious), the Thula native easily accepts professional "handling" to improve their presentation, through skillful use of scents, paints and costume. Their appearance is normally impeccable.

This nativity will flourish when Shukra, Shani and Chandraare strong, and Kuja/Surya/Guru do not interfere. Guru as L-3+L-6 is a naturally inauspicious influence upon this native. Ideally Guru should be weak.

Thula lagna's signature capability is the power to create and sustain many layers of supportive agreements.

Thula succeeds through a combination of

  • personal attractiveness (L-1 Shukra)

  • respect for cultural customs (L-4 Shani)

  • active crafting of agreements (L-7 Kuja)

  • emotional engagement in leadership roles (L-10 Chandra)


The list of global power brokers, religious leaders, and celebrities at left indicates how inordinately influentialare Thula nativities in the world.

Das / Behari comment on Thula= bhava-1:

[applies as well or better to Chandra lagna]

"Libra Ascendant usually bestows a long face, an attractive appearance, tender eyes, and sparsely set teeth.

  • You are generally above average height, lean and thin.

  • Mentally, you are disorganized, emotionally unstable, and socially unbalanced.

  • You are extravagant, generous, helpful and simple at heart. You crave social contact and the assurance that other people need you.

  • You are also subject to contradictory thoughts and actions; you are fond justice and law but easily irritated.

  • Your friends and benefactors tend to be well-placed individuals , but you can also associate with dishonest people who, unfortunately, stick with you for years.

  • Physically you appear strong and healthy but you may secretly suffer from diseases relating to the loins and kidneys.

  • You should take precaution against urinary tract infections.

  • You may have a strong desire for artistic achievement but fail to actualize it.

    • Saturn is a very powerful planet for you.

    • Jupiter is also very good.

  • Fond of helping the lowly , and so much so that you may use base acts to achieve your goals.

  • You respect spiritual leaders because they respect principle centered persons.

  • You are often too driven to stick strictly to principles yourself, but would rather see to it that the objective gets carried out ."

Bhava 2 - Vrischika = Scorpio

Kuja's governance is not impeded in the natural house = swabhava of neutral Shukra.


Historical Values, Collection + Portfolio, Hoards + Storage, Acquisitions, Treasuries of Wealth + Knowledge

Because Kuja is lord of 2nd-from-lagna and 7th-from-lagna, Thula natives have an ambitious and competitive approach to matters of partnership and wealth-storage. One requires forward movement in relationships, and is always bent on acquiring more knowledge, food, or money.

Kuja family knowledge-values-action

Vrischika = penetration, invasion, infiltration, subterfuge, emergency, and forced transformation. the native may hail from a family lineage of engineers (Kuja) such as miners, drillers, machinists, surgeons, divers, excavators, detonators, dynamiters, cutters, shooters, hunters, poisoners, or similar Mangala expertise. The Vrischika lineage also executes transmission of secrets and hidden treasures, therefore sometimes money-handlers, bankers, keepers of repository and cache of mysterious values.

Add in more details from also 2nd-from-Chandra. The disposition of Mangala and graha within bhava-2 will add more puzzle-pieces to the family lineage picture.


A penetrating drive toward ancient knowledge, languages, history, stored wealth and collections of mystical art and music. Knowledge of the cycle of birth and death.

Exploratory, archeological, tantrik approach to knowledge, wealth, values, history of one's people. Appearance of face, hair etc. is slightly sharp. Periods of Kuja may time surgeries to the face and neck, teeth and jaw.

The family historysuffers from secrecy, and is subject to sudden, forced changes during periods of Kuja (and other graha in bhava-2). The changes may range from slightly unsettling to massive and catastrophic, depending on graha in bhava-2. (E.g., if Rahu in bhava-2, family upheaval is much amplified.) The scale of the forced changes may be hidden from public view.

Native stores knowledge and wealth deep within the self. Memory-storage mechanism is internally deep and recycling. Able to call forth, from hidden resources, the values and knowledge needed for the task at hand.

Stored wealth may be increased by inheritance, lotteries, insurance settlements, and hidden sources.

the native may experience intense hunger, driving one to eat furiously.

Hoarded wealth commodities and volume depend on condition of Kuja. Values are self-reflective, mystical, tantrik, and focused on psychic power. Less interest in accumulating knowledge or goods which do not facilitate deeper understandings.

Appreciates the dark sideof human nature and the instructional value of pain. Controls an appreciable amount of wealth increasing throughout the lifetime, punctuated with severe losses due to the catastrophic cycle of Vrischika. Secretive about their acquisitions.


In bhava-2, Rahu + Yogakaraka Shani suffers a variety of competitive avarice for values-based knowledgealong with expressions of highly educated (4 + 5) taste: "classic" art, music, furniture, and styles of dress. For Thula lagna, Ketu afflicts the second house of treasuries, speech and song, knowledge of languages, and historical values esp collections of material wealth.

The Thula native is raised with an active (Kuja) even Aggressive but also mystically Ambivalent approach to asserting one's wealth-building behaviors.

  • On the one hand, the family lineage values material wealth acquisition;

  • on the other hand, there is a psychic or mystical undertow (Ketu) which suggests that higher and more "portable" (cross-incarnational) values should be the goal.

The family history may become distant (Ketu) or aggressive (Kuja); the native typically feels a considerable ambivalence toward the historic values of one's own family, and often breaks away from the lineage values.

Das / Behari: says of Vrischika = bhava-2:

Sahaja Bhava- 3 - Dhanusha = Sagittarius


  • The company one keeps- small group interactive relationships.

  • Mental Process, Repetitive Tasks, Manual Skill

Guru's governance is strongly impeded in the natural house = swabhava of enemy Budha.

The daily thoughts are infused with religious awareness, but Attention to administrative detail may be distracted by higher concepts. Liberal (book-study) minded; enjoys the company of teachers.

Guru = lord of 3rd-from-lagna and 6th-from-lagna.

  • an expansive and tolerant approach toward group communications (3)

  • also expresses tolerance toward the perpetual human conflict (6) that causes animosity, debt, or disease (6).

One accepts the repetitive daily communications as a positive social experience and there is even a degree of embrace for the internal argumentativeness which causes external conflict.

In Guru's view, it's all good: nothing is rejected. Thus health imbalances and communication dysfunctions may be tolerated for a long time.


Mental machinery of speech, writing, and gesture are broad and expansive. Courageous and optimistic mental viewpoint..

If Brihaspati is well placed, the thinking process itself is inclusive, comprehensive, and humanistic.

If Guru is ill-disposed, communicative style may tend toward unsupportably optimistic generalizations, pious platitudes, and truisms.

Native has a large toolkit of communicative devices, and can "get out the message" on a large scale.

Conflict between Brihaspati's wisdom-teaching agenda and Budha's data-detail orientation leads to a frustration with most administrative roles. Co-workers and teammates may find the native to be ponderous and overly concerned with the big picture, when the job calls for detail management.

the native 's enthusiasm is indeed dulled by repetitive tasks which do not facilitate wisdom-learning (Guru's only goal) and as a consequence, one may be unable to tolerate modern office jobs, unless they have a teaching dimension.

An natural teacher-trainer in many subjects. . Seeks the "teaching opportunity" to conferences, meetings and repetitive social engagements. Friendly, positive and non-confrontational. Enjoys building contacts and participating in teams. Great for politics and corporate success.

Supports favorable relationships with siblings if the third bhava from Chandra is favorable. Likes to coach, guide, train, and facilitate in the local (department, town, regional) setting.

Das / Behari : says of Dhanavana = bhava-3:

  • Expansive and humanistic Guru rules a house of mentalized Budha.

  • "You gain courageby self-discipline,

    • and find brethrenwho lead you to situations of transformation.

  • You are active and like law and order.

  • Your spouse has a good influence on you."

Bhava 4 - Makara = Capricorn


Home, family, security, education, indoctrination, cultural acceptance, the early childhood home, effect of mother's culture

Yogakaraka Shani


  • regulator of security

  • involved with social ethics, rules, ethnic customs

  • needs a conventional, lawful, unpretentious home property

  • property may be clay-colored, wooden, brick, stone or bone, bland in character, normative appearance

Shani rules the natural house = swabhava of enemy Chandra.

  • Whether male or female, this native takes a law-giver role at home.

However lagnesha Shukra = great friend of Shani and therefore the early childhood situation is stable, safe, and not unduly contentious. (unless Mangala or Rahu disturbs the house)

Homeland Defense

Drive to achieve education and emphasize the common structure underlying all systems of cultural customs. Shani is the fixed enemy of "special genius" Surya. The Thula native may not be too sentimental (Chandra) about defense of the homeland. One tends to "normalize" human society into an aggregate structure, denying any claims about cultural superiority (Surya) of one's own cultural roots, or other royalist assertions.


Parents and early childhood education = Rules, Rules, Rules

Shani gives a shrewd practical survival approach and ongoing resistance to the conditions in place within one's childhood home.

Scarcity (Shani) and respect for rules (Makara) are key elements of the upbringing.

Others may cherish their parents, viewing these dedicated caretakers uncritically or even worshipfully; yet Thula natives are not sentimental. If there are criticisms of the parents, Thula will assess those objectively. Thula shows respect to parents but not always affection and certainly not uncritical affection; that is how these natives were raised.

The parents = "hierophants" dedicated to the promotion and maintenance of large pyramid-shaped social institutions from which they derive their primary identity. Parents are sensitive and respectful to all matters of class, rank, and social station. The family home is bound by numerous strict rules of order, and the childhood education follows the mainstream public conventions of the time.

  • If Shani = a problematic graha due to its role in the overall nativity, the upbringing can repeat the narrative of deprivation, constriction, enforced conformism, and bondage to Time.

    • A poorly placed Shani may indicate childhood resistance to hierarchical structures, rankings, stages and steps, dogma, government, and every variety of letter-of-the-law bureaucracy.

  • If Shani is well-disposed, the native may enjoy a certain level of material privilege.

    • Yet even when Shani is good, this privileged will be outweighed by a deep responsibility toward social order inculcated early by one's parents, caretakers, and school-teachers.

    • The Thula child may find it easier to cooperate with (or pander to) authority figures and may indeed appear to be a "parent-pleaser" obsequiously cow-towing to school or church authorities.

Even if, from the outside, the native 's childhood home appears comfortable or privileged, that is never the whole story.

Inner strictness of parental rules and the deeper anxiety about potential instability of the social order as a whole marks all Thula natives.

The rules of the home will ensure that the childhood is experienced as a time of significant workload, duty, and lawful responsibility.


Oftenscarcityof parental affection (Shani overriding Chandra) and a culture of constraint in the childhood home.

  • Even when childhood conditions are difficult, oppressive, or emotionally deprived, Shani = yogakaraka L-4+L-5 gives favorable longer-term results in the adult years.

  • Thula natives often become leaders in their fields due at least partly to their serious attitude toward study and the early anti-genius, anti-entertainment discipline. (Shani = enemy of genius-Surya)

Known for their disciplined and austere approach toward the task of completing examinations, Thula natives regularly succeed in obtaining difficult diplomas, licenses, and certifications (4).

These natives are known for self-denial and their power to postpone pleasures in favor of longer term goals. A non-indulgent childhood actually prepares Thula to face most adult situations with sobriety and a time-management plan. Thula natives train their intelligence (5) and finish their homework (4).


Emotional needs for security and comfort must be suppressed in order to achieve security and comfort!

The childhood home emphasized public conformity, and relationship to parents is more a duty than a desire. Parental negligence. Cultural indoctrination levels of education carry forward ethnno-cultural values of emotional discipline and austerity.

Education is interrupted or delayed at several points. the native may have to "go back to school" repeatedly. Shani in bhava-4 gives discipline and successful suppression of emotional needs in order to complete the education. the native does well in school. Shani in bhava-2 makes the education gainful. Shani in bhava-3 may dissolve educational opportunities during Shani periods.

  • the native feels stable and secure in life when one can have a modest roof over one's head and a regular schedule.

  • Shani does not like the natural emotional fluctuations of Chandra. Volatility in the home is intolerable; and if volatility persists, the native will simply leave.

  • Can tolerate and may indeed prefer long separations from the home for purposes of work or structured study. Seeks to establish "law and order" culture in the home.Prefers a home made of wood and stone, or even bones.

Conservative, conventionalized relationship to parents, who are not emotionally demonstrative and who emphasize performance of duty rather than affectionate bonds. Respect for ethnic custom and tradition. Understands the rules of vehicle operation and land management, but personal property ownership is much delayed. < ul>

  • During Shani periods, may live in collective housing. Appearance of the home and vehicle is modest and unimposing, very uniform, and likely one of a large number of identical properties.

  • Requires and imposes orderly process in basic education; prefers practical, skill-based training on a fixed schedule with rule-driven outcomes.

    If Shani is auspicious, makes a fine school teacher, home-builder, vehicle engineer, or town manager.


    Sample placements:

    • Shani ( Enemy of Chandra) rules bhava-4, therefore expect some complications along the path to achieving the deepest physical and emotional security in life, due to rigidity and resistance.

    • Shani or Mangala (fortunate) = competitive, disciplined, future success in real-estate, vehicles, or guardianship of the land (including military and policing careers)

    • Surya (weak) = parents are very conventional and probably narrow-minded, concerned with obtaining public approval via conformism. the native is patriotic and church-going or involved with community associations in order to gain social security.

    Das / Behari comment on Makara = bhava-4:

    • Work master Shani rules a house of sheltering, sensitive and comfort-seeking Chandra.

    • "... makes you inwardly rebelliousand full of desires that you probably don't show to the outside world.

    • You are really driven, but you may show calm outwardly."

    Bhava 5 - Kumbha = Aquarius


    Shani =Yogakaraka

    Romance, Creativity, Children, Performance Art, Authorship, Genius


    • theatre of large, complex, rule-driven systems

    • performance art of marketplace networks of association, electro-magnetic device networks, progressive social movements

    Shani's governance is strongly impeded in the natural house = swabhava of enemy Surya.

    Because Shani is lord of 4th-from-lagna and 5th-from-lagna, Thula natives have a disciplined and austere approach toward matters of cultural education and expressions of creative genius. These natives are known for skillful problem-solving. They are well-prepared to face most situations because Thula natives train their intelligence and do their homework.


    Shani is yoga-karaka for Thula lagna. Results of Shani as lord of enemy Surya's bhava are surprisingly favorable as a rule. Controlled self-expression prevents going overboard, gives a steady upward climb in large organizational hierarchies.

    Depending on the condition of Shani, the Self may express in a reserved or eccentric way. Native is considered interesting and philosophical, even visionary -- but still conservative and group-oriented. Their vision is socially egalitarian and inclusive.

    Children can be problematic. Most common issue is physical and emotional distancing, due to the parent's public duties. the native may hold an idealized view of childhood and of one's own children, which prevents intimacy and acceptance.

    If Shani is auspicious the native may be an exemplary educator, inspiring students to reach high standards. Children may also receive benefits of parents' social position. Children may compensate for lack of direct parenting by forming valuable relationships with the parents' friends. Community child-raising is favored.


    For Thula lagna,Rahu afflicts fifth houseof children, theatre, politics, creativity, and Divine intelligence.

    Conditions for producing and raising children, and one's ability to receive praise for acts of creative genius (5) will occur in the context of a certain scientific rigidity(Shani) combined with sudden attacks of upheaval due to passionate behavior of the children(especially the eldest child).

    The Thula native's children (5) are subject to mixed signals:

    • On the one hand, Shani as lord of Kumbha gives visionary scientific and conceptual thought - which mentality, overlaid upon the house of Genius, can produce some extraordinary research intelligence.

    • On the other hand, Rahu contributes a taboo-breaking enthusiasm toward children and celebration of one's own genius which results in a higher enthusiasm for risky adventure in the acts of self-expression and receiving applause. The children will be scientific-minded and culturally unusual.


    Children

    Children can be produced or acquired in periods of L-1 Shukra+ L-5 Shani, L-9 Budha as well as periods of putrakaraka Guru.

    Because Guru the karaka for children is also L-3+L-6 for Thula lagna, childbirth is not easy, often accompanied by illness or injury, and child-raising tends to induce dissolution of the home (3) and dissolution of marriage bond (6).

    Children are a stress source for Thula even while the Thula native loves the children very much. Number of children is typically limited because L-5 Shani is a karaka for scarcity, limitation, reduction of available resources - particularly Time.

    The Thula female often has a maternal instinct for governance due to Chandra as L-10, therefore much of the parenting instinct may be parlayed into taking care of entire societies and not focused on one's own family.


    Shani rules a house of Surya = incompatible influences; hot bright stream and cold dark stream mixing in the same channel.

    Das / Behari comment on Kumbha = bhava-5:

    • "... influences you in very important ways.

    • Only after great effortwill you succeed in begetting children,

      • but your life in other spheres of activity will make you much renowned.

    • Your scrupulous adherence to an ethical way of life will often put you to serious trials, but you will be able to withstand the ordeals of principled living.

    • You will be interested in making life useful

      • and will study those subjects which can help society.

    • You will be prepared to be a martyrfor the sake of attaining the goal in life.

    • Your ideas,however well-meaning, will create problems for you and your parents."

    Bhava 6 = 6th from Thula lagna = 6th from ThulaChandra= 6th from Thula navamsha

    Guru's governance is strongly impeded in the natural house = swabhava of enemy Budha.


    • Dissolution of contracts and agreements. Quarrels, arguments, war.

    • "Social work", servants, servitude, ministries of service.

    • Medicine, physicians, illness, conflicts,

    • Poverty, exploitation, money loans, usurious practices,

    • prostitution, hotels and restaurants, traveler's aid,

    • Criminal attorneys, litigation,

    • jail (not prison), criminals and crimes.

    Tolerant Meena governs the ministries of service, dissolution of mutually supportive agreements, and capacity for logical argument.

    • Compassion for servants, animals, the exploited and the dispossessed

    • Multiple, diverse quarrels

    • Tolerance for problematicity

    • Broad awareness of human suffering

    • One serves, ironically, via arguing the cause of wisdom


    Flipped:

    • Compassionate Guru the non-discriminating wise sage who accepts all phenomena = dharma

    • governs the natural house = swabhava of mentalized Budha the detailed, super-discriminating Lord of Logical Categories.

    There is a great openness and kindly acceptance toward all sorts of people who suffer from crippling poverty (6) toxic jealousy (6) bitter animosity (6) exploitative behaviors (6) extreme narrowness of viewpoint (6) and chronic argumentativeness (6).

    The problem-solving mind is positively bulging with an abundance of humanistic philosophical conflicts

    Caution = Psychic overextension

    Due to their well-meaning openness toward all beings, Thula must consciously enforce their psychic boundaries.

    • Thula natives and to a nearly equal extent also Karkata natives (for whom Guru also rules 6) may suffer disease originating in toxic environments which are ultimately caused by the blaming, accusative, toxic argumentation of 6

    • proliferation and abundance of a great amount of conflict in the native 's social, physical, emotional, financial, mental, even spiritual environments.

    • Both Thula and Karkata may overexpand physically with some tendency toward fleshly obesity in a misguided attempt to "include" all these many problems in one's personal "space"

    • It should be understood that the originators of the conflicts are largely "others" and the problems rightfully "belong" to persons who belong to a class below the class of the native

      • the psychic principle applies: one who insists on solving the problems of others will be suitably punished

    Excellent placement for

    • physicians, criminal - divorce attorneys, ministers of charitable service, social workers,

    • professorial teachers (Guru) to all of these service professionals


    Special affinity to handle conflicts (6) regarding social policy and social governance(10).

    • Brihaspati = lord of 3rd-from-lagna and 6th-from-lagna

    Thula natives have an expansive and tolerant approach toward those expressions of social conflict which results from an internal narrative of blaming and accusation (6).

    In Guru's non-discriminatory view, "it's all good": nothing in the many realms of material-spiritual manifestation is ever rejected.

    Health imbalances, blaming behaviors, poverty, and conditions of war may be tolerated for a long time.

    • Thula can put up with a lot of conflict.


    Health can be compromised by excess and abundance. Extensive public duties may lead to much grazing at social events, and excess unmonitored intake of food and drink may lead to portliness or indigestion. However in general if Guru is even reasonably well positioned, the native will enjoy good health and good company.

    Depending on condition of Guru, tends to have few real enemies. Many people will feel obliged to follow one's instructions or commands despite feeling exploited by one's higher knowledge. Guru is a priest and this native is a pries to the unbalanced and unfortunate, those unable to locate a point of agreement in their own lives.

    the native is a beacon of wisdom-light and yet many will disagree with the wisdom; the native 's beliefs may not be well liked or trusted and yet one will be respected, and one's commands will be heeded no matter the amount of complaining (and often depending on Lord Guru the amount of complaining may be significant!).

    the native may be unpopular at times, but Guru as lord of the evil 6th house assures that Thula-lagna's balanced, attractive, relationship-valuing assets are stronger than the potential animosity deficit which attends Ari bhava in any nativity.

    They get into trouble during periods of L-6 just like everyone else, but their virtues tend to balance out their faults, and their friends will outnumber their enemies. Generally when they err or irritate it will be perceived by their colleagues that they received bad advice.

    This person makes their fair share of mistakes. But they value relationships, and they are quick to repair the damage. Rarely suffers long-lasting ill will.

    Das / Behari: says of Meena = bhava-6:

    • Expansive Guru rules a house of argumentative Budha = troublesome

    • "Out of fear or respect many people obey you.

    • You wield some power which is society-directed.

    • To follow your goals, you have to sacrifice.

    • You get into quarrels with powerful forcesin order to pursue your work or objectives."

    Das / Behari comment on L-10 Chandra-Meena = bhava-6:

    • "The Moon fails to protect and makes you vulnerable to severe hostile onslaughts.

    • In public office, the situation may deteriorate to such an extent that you may face suspension or demotion.

    • Physically you may be afflicted with pleurisy or indigestion.

    • Expenditures will much exceed your income and you will be in debt.

    • Allegations of moral turpitude may be leveled against you. "

    Bhava 7

    = 7th from Thula lagna

    = 7th from Thula Chandra

    = 7th from Thula navamsha

    Kuja's governance is not impeded in the natural house = swabhava of neutralShukra.


    Mesha governs the character of shared-equity alliances + one's capacity to keep promises and maintain trust.
    • Kuja = lord of 2nd-from-lagna and 7th-from-lagna,

    Mating Behaviors

    Characteristics of bhava-7 define the spousal behaviors, which behaviors are the result of the native 's own subconscious expectations.

    Generally the Thula native expects (whether consciously or not) to mate with a person (male or female) of hot, vital, irascible, innovative, sporting, "alpha", and muscularly active personality.

    The partner requires vigorous movement and has primitive, aggressive, animal tendencies which can aid success in competitive business but also harm the prospects for long-term harmony in relationships.

    A conundrum for Thula marriage =

    • self-propelled, crusading Mangala goes out to Act, Move, Challenge and Conquer.

    • At times of Mangala-driven peak energetic movement,

    • Fundamentally, Thula's Martian partners may be constitutionally unable to consider anyone else's concerns, as Kuja's focus is entirely contained within the individual birth-body

    • a fact of working marriage practice for Thula is that Thula's own stake-holder equity interest in the partnership is relatively less important to Thula's partners than it is to Thula.

    • Luckily, Thula is possessed of Shukra-based negotiating and re-adjustment skills that can - depending on the strength of Shukra - accommodate the primitive selfishness of the partner and maintain the public alliance

    Mangala is impatient therefore longer term marriages for Thula may require considerable accommodation of the restless, impulsive, and sometimes angry expressions of the more simplistic nature of the spouse.

    The Thula native has a more complex and balanced character in contrast to the spouses that the Thula expects to acquire who are in comparison more simple and direct. The Thula native applies their harmonious, willing-to-negotiate, and balanced perspective to matters of marriage.

    Yet if Mangala is ill-disposed no matter the intent of Thula's diplomacy, the primitive animal urgency of Mangala may force the spouse to seek outlets for the sexual, muscular, impulsive life-force energies of the flesh.

    • Hillary Clinton suffers the consequence of neechchamsha L-7 Kuja -- albeit her troubled Kuja is involved with a Throne Yoga (Kuja yuti Shani in Karkata-10). Her husband is notoriously impulsive in matters of the flesh, yet his vitality is the key to her career (10).

      • Mrs. Clinton's swakshetra lagnesha Shukra + neechcha-bhanga Surya in lagna is spectacularly strong; therefore her diplomatic capabilities are so magnificent as to endure her husbands numerous very public indiscretions

      • In typical Thula style she has accommodated his vulgarities in order to further her own objectives.

    • The thrice-married action-hero film dramatist Tom Cruise = L-7 Mangala in bhava-8yuti Budha. Agreements (7) of all types = somewhat aggressive and volatile. Native = inclined toward mysterious liaisons. For Thula, Mangala-8 + youthful Kumara produces a frequent-turnover cycle of increasingly younger, more sensually attractive wives from each of whom the native eventually withdraws (L-12 Budha).

    Such a mate generally behaves in a competitive and dominating style toward members of their own gender whilst they focus a sexually ambitious and conquesting energy upon members of the gender with whom they prefer to partner.


    Thula natives have an ambitious and competitive approach to matters of partnership and wealth-storage. One requires forward movement in relationships, and is always bent on acquiring more knowledge, food, or money.


    Marriage relations can be predominantly physical, with early attraction inspired by competitive success. Depends as always on the condition of Kuja.

    Contracts, agreements, legal discussions, all types of advising are actively pursued and negotiated. Due to Shani's strength in Thula nativities, divorce is less common, but marital unhappiness may increase with time. Despite a tolerance or even enjoyment of protracted negotiations in small-group and public settings, the Thula native may need to feel a quick 'win' in intimate relationships. Combative, aggressive streak in marriage is noted.

    Career-wise, this argumentative or actively negotiating character can be beneficial in law, politics, and higher levels corporate management.

    Spouse is generally athletic or professionally competitive. If Shani is auspicious, the spouse's career is complementary to the native . If Kuja is auspicious, the spouse is vital and embraces challenge. If Kuja is inauspicious, marriage is conflicted and the career will not develop to full potential, so important is yuvati bhava to the total career success.


    "If Aries, Scorpio be descending, or Mars' Navamsha be descending,

    the woman will get a husband, angry but devoted to her."

    ~~ Bhrigu SutramCh. 2 4 Shloka 11


    "If at woman's birth, the 7th bhava or the setting Navamsha be that of Mars,

    the husband will be fond of other women and will be of an irascible temper."

    ~~BPHS Ch. 80, shloka 22-25

    Das / Behari comment on Mesha = bhava-7

    • "...in relationshipsyou are an explorer, aggressive, and unafraid.

    • This sign will increase the sex drive, not decrease it.

    • You may see marriage more as a release than as a duty,

    • but on the other hand, you may be very competitivewith the spouse as well."

    Bhava 8 = 8th from Thula lagna = 8th from Thula Chandra = 8th from Thula navamsha

    Shukra's governance is not impeded in the natural house = swabhava of neutral Mangala.


    • Sudden, forced changes; catastrophic upheavals;

    • Joint assets of marriage, secret matters,

    • therapeutics, healing, taboos, taxes, tantra; in-laws; speech and values of the spouse

    Nativitiesdeveloped from a baseline of Thula lagna(similar to nativities developed from a baseline of Mesha lagna) must accommodate the psycho-physical reality that one's social identity is subject to regular upheavals. This phenomenon is due to the fact that lagnesha Shukra rules both the fleshly-form, social-attribute-package baseline of the Thula lagna, as well as the sudden-change-of-form, disruption-of-development 8th bhava.

    Thus, Vimshottari periods of Shukra function as a double-edged sword, creating experiences which radically redefine the social-material identity, often via some challenge or alteration to the integrity of the physical appearance.

    If there are exacerbating contributors such as malefic graha in either bhava-1 or bhava-8 (esp in 8) or Shukra has a relationship to 8th-from-Chandra, there can be truly catastrophic upheavals in the material-social identity during Shukra periods.

    The total outcome is often positive in a life-defining spiritual way.

    Shukra periods cause the native to hold as firmly as possible to the material identity (lagnesha function) while simultaneously the function of the L-8 is explicitly a breaking apart, un-sticking, in-coherence in the native 's psycho-physical self-recognition.

    One is forced to assume a higher viewpoint of the greater cycles of life and in the process one becomes open to absorption of transformative "tantrik" knowledge (8).


    Vrishabha governs the experience of sudden, forced changes as the life-force moves from one form into the next.

    Outcome of rapid-change events such as emergencies, disasters, sudden death-and-rebirth = very much altered by occupants of the house and condition of lagnesha Shukra.

    For example,

    • Guru or Shukra in 8 indicates significant material wealth of the spouse.

      • Shukra in swakshetra Vrishabha is very fortunate for the spouse's treasury.

      • Even the difficulties of L3-L-6 Guru in 8 are well compensated by Viparita Raja Yoga= L-6 in 8. Therefore Guru in 8 for Thula lagna usually brings prosperity via the spousal treasury even while the spouse may be unfaithful to the marriage contract and relationship with the in-laws is contentious.

    • while occupation by Rahu the impostor or Ketu the abandoner or drishti of or occupation by Shani the reducer can show poverty of the spousal treasury.

      • Rahu, although purported exalted in Vrishabha, spins the cycle of destruction-and-rebirth too quickly. The minute one has some sort of wealth, one destroys it, due to seeking a higher value.

      • For example, Charles de Gaulle with Rahu-Vrishabha was notoriously anti-money, anti-capitalist, and demonstrably proud of his lifelong penury.

      • [By contrast the uchcha Rahu in 11 can bring extraordinary gains of income from taboo or foreign sources, such as the middle eastern oil wealth of USA Pres-43 GW Bush.]

    Shukra lagnesha =lord of 8th-from-lagna. Thula natives have lifelong relationship (Shukra) to mysteries and secrets (8).

    In the preliminary negotiations which occur in the astral plane before the native is allowed to take birth, one is possessed of harmony-seeking, diplomatic behaviors in the process of defining and stabilizing all of the highly complex agreements which are required to be in place before manifestation of the forthcoming fleshly development (1) and vitalizing a physical human form (1).

    Thus this native is a natural negotiator of the continuing albeit often awkward (6/8) cycles of birth and death, stability and change, mass and energy, form and content.


    Spouse's Family

    Dealings with in-laws are eased from the natural adversarial Kuja-driven situation into more pleasurable and balanced relation Speech and values of the spouse are pleasure-oriented, sensual and sweet. Adversarial conversations between the partners are extremely rare.

    Spouse's Wealth, 1st marriage:

    The joint assets of marriage will accumulate on a balanced program, with each spouse contributing their fair share. Spouse's family wealth originates fromcattle and historic family lands. Sensual fruits of the landincluding wines and liqueurs, perfumes, fine foods, lovely oils, and dairy products of the cattle are often the source of spousal family wealth. Vrishabha rules the mouth, teeth, and throat. If Shukra occupies 8, wealth from speeches, music or musical instruments including the voice.

    • Example: the family wealth of Jacqueline Kennedy O. 's first husband USA Pres-35 John. F Kennedy was developed from selling liquor.

    • Martha Stewart's spousal capital from the first marriage is indicated by both L-3+L-6 Guru Viparita Raja Yoga = L-6 in 8 + L-4+L-5 YogakarakaShani in bhava-8. Some of her marital wealth derived from social conflict (3, 6; attorney) and some derived from the in-law's property wealth + their professional education (4, 5 ).

    Hidden, confidential information and secret relationshipsare pleasurable and well-balanced. Extramarital affairs are easy to conduct and do not disturb the fabric of married life. Surgeries if needed will enhance bodily alignments and provide cosmetic benefits.

    Das / Behari comment on Vrishabha = bhava-8:

    • "Your spousemay beunsympathetic,

      • and may use the marriage for advancing themselves,

      • though at the same time they also advance your goals.

    • You respect the energy of nature perhaps more than the idea of the creator of nature."

    Bhava 9 = 9th from Thula lagna = 9th from Thula Chandra = 9th from Thula navamsha

    Budha rules a natural house = swabhava of neutral Guru.

    Budha's governance is not impeded by Guru.


    • Ceremonial Religion; the Temple; Priesthood;

    • Guru; Professor; University;

    • Wisdom; Father;

    • Religious teachers and dogma, beliefs;

    • Divine Law

    Mithuna governs the teacher-preacher knowledge delivery roles and capacity for wisdom via world travel

    • Budha= lord of 9th-from-lagna and 12th-from-lagna.

    Thula natives especially like to communicate (Mithuna) about ceremonial religions (9) and wisdom teachings esp sacred texts. They favor a priestly or professorial style (9) of making reports and announcements (Mithuna) .

    Theological studies are favored and publications on philosophical topics will succeed if Budha is well placed. the native may sound like (Mithuna) a know-it-all "brainiac" due to a tendency to reverse the proper forms:


    Discourse styles "flipped"

    • big ideas in the small-talk,

    • small details from the big pulpit

    Thula often will substitute a common, everyday talk style (Mithuna) into their professorial discourse (9) which can give the impression of trivializing the deeply held convictions of faith and religious practice.

    Thula also suffers the reverse problem of bringing an expansive philosophical discourse style (Dhanushya) into their daily life chat with workmates and neighbors (3) which can make them sound ponderous and egg-heady.

    However if properly handled, the "flipped" communications situation is good for publication (3) of philosophical (9) writings (3) and professorship (9) in topical areas of mundane media communications (3), scholarly studies (9) in sociolinguistics and discourse analysis (3), and university studies (9) on individual words e.g. etymology (3) and grammatical forms (3) of written and spoken texts (3)


    Can be a bit of chameleon, adopting various belief systems for pragmatic purposes, then moving on to a new set of beliefs when expedient.

    Can mirror the dominant ideology out to the public very successfully, presuming Budha is competent.

    Das / Beharicomment on Mithuna = bhava-9:

    "You gain polarizationmental empowerment to and discriminateabout spiritual matters."

    Das comment = "Gemini is in 9, and Venus is in 9."

    "You are concerned, in a worldly sense, with the comfort of others.

    You have money for affluent living.

    But your involvement with social services is to gratify your own senses and to glorify yourself.

    You will travel widely. "

    Bhava 10= 10th from Thula lagna = 10th from Thula Chandra = 10th from Thula navamsha

    Chandra rules a natural house = swabhava of neutral Shani.


    • Leadership responsibilities; public reputation and recognition;

    • Ability to determine social law and make decisions that influence those below one in the social hierarchy.

    • Executive capabilities.

    • Regulatory and law-enforcing powers.

    Karkata governs the public reputation + one's capacity to accept and fulfill social leadership responsibilities

    Career, Profession, and Regulatory Roles

    • Naturally, whichever bhava is ruled by Chandra the Lord of tides and flows will have an estuarial character = sometimes dry and sometimes flooded.

      • For Thula, the dignity of career (10) will inevitably fluctuate.

    • the native will hold numerous positions, titles, responsibilities, and organizational affiliations throughout life.

    • The Thula native should never fear if a job or rank is lost; another surge of responsibility will indeed follow any lost position, similar to the ocean tides.

    • Career recognition for one's capacity to govern (to regulate social environments) is strongest during periods of Chandra.


    Because Chandra is lord of 10th-from-lagna, Thula natives apply their deepest nurturing feelings to their social leadership position. One brings a caring and parental approach to organization governance and positions of social responsibility.


    Mother

    Thula lagna natives are often born to professionally recognized, working mothers.

    • The mother's social-leadership or professional responsibilities make a deep impression on the child in one's early years.

    • One is raised by such a mother to expect that one will also serve society in a compassionate, professional, decision-making capacity, whenever the time (Chandra period) should arrive.


    Thula lagna is known as a "maker of leaders". It is reputedly the most successful radix lagna for recognition in public life.

    For the Balance lagna, Shani the Worker becomes Yogakaraka, while Guru the Lord of Abundance rules mental (3) and physical (6) health. the native is rewarded for effort (Shani); and punished for excess (Guru). If L-10 Chandra is well-disposed, there is an emotionally instinctive (Chandra) inclination to invest effort in leadership roles.

    In maturity, the Thula nativeeschews the "easy way" (Guru) knowing from hard experience that only Shani's methods - delayedgratification, personal discipline, attention to detail- is the only assured path to success.

    The highly fluctuating and impressionable Chandra provides direct, psycho- emotionally intuitive leadership.

    Much depends on Chandra's Nakshatra, rashi, bhava, and drishti. Also the angle of Shani-Chandra and Guru-Chandra will significantly shape the leadership potential.

    Example: Mahatma Gandhi's 5/9 angle of Shani-Chandragave his profound capacity to accept Austerity in the circumstances of leadership. Chandra = L-10 in 10 provided the instinctive parental leadership style. A world leader slowly but inexorably (YogakarakaShani) took his place in history(Chandra-Shani).


    Bhava-10 is about public trust. A parental sense of responsibility in their leadership style. Thula lagna is famous for creating strong government, corporate, and military careers.

    Not only is Shani the Yogakarakafor Thula lagna but also Chandra the 'parenting planet' is lord of the bhava of public trust.

    Thula lagna's public presentation has a strongly emotional appeal. Style is authoritative, parental, and asserting seniority; also be patronizing, domineering, or even tyrannical - depending on highly impressionable Chandra, aspects to bhava-10, and 10th-from-10th yuvati bhava. It is essential to track Soma's behavior in D-9 and D-10 to know where the career will go.

    Chandra is reflective and absorptive. Public can project their needs for parenting, security, and authoritative guidance upon the Thula nativein a leadership role. May evoke fanatic trust and support when they lead in emotionally troubled times.


    Professional Success depends on Chandra

    Ideally Chandra will be angular and receive friendly drishti. But even a poorly placed Chandra will contribute intuition and a gentle, parental, nurturing attitude in leadership roles.

    Professional reputation flourishes in specialties of caretaking and schooling. Thula enjoys business administration when they have an adequate scope (Dhanushya, 3) to express their humanistic views via world travel and teaching.

    Shani being yogakaraka L-4+L-5, matters related to foundational education in literacy and numeracy, as well as structured expressions of individual intelligence such as writing, will constitute their heaviest professional burden. Thula are typically great advocates of education for children.

    Management roles

    Thula enjoys managing transactions (3) that contain humanistic, philosophical teachings (Dhanushya) and collaborating with people who possess wisdom (Dhanushya, 3).

    Of course, much depends upon the lord of the 10th navamsha as well as any graha occupying Bhava-10 or 10th-from-10th = Bhava-7.

    Das / Behari comment on Karkata = bhava-10:

    • "You generate profound ideas in approaching life's everyday problems.

    • Deep insight and adaptability enable you to function smoothly on many levels.

    • You are capable.

    • You will probably specialize in something that helps society.

    • An efficient administrator, poet, ruler, or a great saint,

      • but a great debauch may also be born under this influence.

      Your stage of soul-development is key.

    • If your attachment to carnal passions is not yet over,

      • you will become immersed in a situation where an over-abundance of sensual gratification makes you realize its futility.

    • If you are already spiritually advanced,

      • you may be assigned an important task to perform in the interest of humanity.

    • Otherwise, an evolved soul under this influence will be immersed in universal consciousness, enjoying the bliss of spirituality.

    • This sign in the 10th house makes you a little special, and an interesting person to meet or know."

    Bhava 11 = 11th from Thula lagna = 11th from Thula Chandra= 11th from Thula navamsha

    Surya's governance is impeded in the natural house = swabhava of Ravi's enemy Shani.


    • Goals and achievements;

    • social progress movements;

    • distributive and associative networks of connection between people, ideas, electrical signals, atoms, planets, civilizations, generations,

    • and anything that can be connected to anything else.

    Simha governs the social networks + one's capacity to set lawful goals and achieve objectives in a regulated fashion

    Because Surya is lord of 11th-from-lagna, Thula natives have self-focused view of the global marketplace, a politicized understanding of scientific conceptual systems, and in large assemblies they tend to assume directive roles.

    Goals and achievements for Thula must reflect the presence of Divine intelligence, increase personal creativity, call attention to the Self, and open the heart.


    Creative intelligence (Surya) = focused on gainful relationships in the marketplace. Thula natives are ego identified with large networks of associations and independent goal achievement. They develop strong friendship networksearly in life.

    Something about this native strikes people as " goal-assisting" or a " positive connection". Surya should be well disposed for the connectedness and profitability of this lordship to give full fruit.

    However even a strongly placed Surya will have to do lifetime battle with the influence of Shaniover His natural house. the native 's style of goal-achievement may be at loggerheads with conservative social practice, and one's method of earning income will certainly be distinctively independent.

    A good deal of effort is expended in developing connective community relationships, which facilitate greater individual opportunity for material and spiritual achievement. This work tends to earn a low salary. Indeed, one often serves on a volunteer basis in order to advance one's vision of a better, more intelligent world for all..

    When Surya is empowered, the native must earn through independent means such as consulting, self-owned business, literary authorship, or manufacturing one's own product.

    Generally a Thula native will be well-known and respected, as well as successful in building very large connection networks. the native holds leadership position in several networks, particularly the networks which one has developed around one's own intelligence.

    Seeks the company (11) of royals (Simha), theatricals, politicians, those with a celebrity lifestyle or some form of personal brilliance. Thula finds one's friends mainly among the ranks of the very bright and talented (depending of course on Ravi's character in the nativity). If Surya occupies 11, one may hold the prestigious center position within a large network of talented, self-focused, large-aura persons who hold various creative entitlements in the society.

    The friends are not necessarily all leaders or holders of socially recognized high title. Rather, members of the network are distinguished by their remarkable intelligence in performance art (including certain inspired forms of teaching), in politics, theatre, games, and amusements; by their self-entitlement.

    One may become genuinely friendly with one's children, sharing with the offspring a regal sense of self-entitlement and its concurrent (for Thula) engagement in social change.

    One becomes an iconic symbol for a social progress movement; promoting one's individual genius and personal power in order to channel the force of divine inspiration that drives creative social change.


    International diplomacy

    A king-maker in the best sense of shining the light of genius upon each person and commodity in the social and economic network .

    Found often in the "company (11) of kings (Simha)", Thula networks in elite political settings and is especially suited to the top ranks of international diplomacy.


    Centrality Entitlement Ego

    The ideal community networking style = Shani = neutral, regulated, orderly, procedural, impersonal, austere, all are equal participants under the law.

    • If Surya the brilliant and confident karaka of Truth should become compromised by unfortunate association, the native may develop a self-righteous (Ravi) style of association that is solipsistic, opportunistic, intolerant, and politicized rather than participatory and distributive.

    • If such a disability develops, it may manifest in a friendship culture of exaggerated entitlement, in which the only acceptable behavior of friends, acquaintances, and the elder siblings is that which directs praise and applause upon the center-stage native. Marketplace associations may be stifled by an attention-hungry participant who wishes the public to see one as a Central Connection.

    Das / Behari comment on Simha = bhava-11:

    • "you are born to do some special work for society .

    • You are strongly motivated to contribute significantly to your people.

    • You are not selfish, though you may not necessarily be soft and kind, either.

    • You are a strict disciplinarian;

      • you can subject yourself to austere religious observances or wage cruel wars,

        • but at the base of all these enterprises will be your primary motivation of social change.

    • You want to make the world a better place to live, a more unified social organization,

      • so that human beings may have greater opportunities for self-expression."

    Das / Behari comment on "The Sun is in 11, and the Sun is in Leo."

    • "Gives daughters."


    • "When the Sun occupies this sign the missionary spirit is greatly heightened.

    • You can forge strong bonds of friendship with a few persons, but you are generally reserved, with a very exclusive sense of individuality.

    • You become interested in life sciences;

    • your fascination with occultism will also be deep and genuine.

    • As an executive officer, political missionary, or eminent philosopher, you can make an imprint wherever you go.

    • Your personal life, however, is full of deprivations.

    • You are unhappy with your children, and often suffer from serious strain on your nerves. "

    Das/ Behari comment on "The Sun is in Leo, and Libra is in 1."
    • "This placement gives good fortune and a full span of life. "

    Bhava 12 = 12th from Thula lagna = 12th from Thula Chandra= 12th from Thula navamsha


    • Budha's governance is not impeded in the natural house = swabhava of neutral Guru.

    Kanya governs the character of reflective, imaginative knowledge + one's capacity to travel the bridge between worlds of material and spiritual life

    Because Budha = L-9+L-12 from-lagna, Thula natives especially like to communicate about ritual religion and moral teachings (9) and to articulate matters of psycho-intuitive knowledge, the imagination, dream-worlds, and the subconscious terrain (12).

    • Enemies of the marriage, always indicated by the L-12 and graha within vyaya bhava, tend to be gender-neutral conversationalists and writers with articulate, analytical, mentally hyperactive or very categorical personalities.

    • A quick study; swift and accurate psychological profiling of personalities; can almost "hear" the interior mental narrative of others

    • Budha grants a mentalized and conversational approach to the cosmic matters of private imagination, foreign sojourns, and meditation.

    • Easy travels.Native does not need as much sleep as peers.

      • As a downside, there is little rest in this life.

      • the native is perpetually busy in the mental, narrative function and may struggle to claim access to deep sanctuary of non-verbal reflection and prayer.

    A capable instructor and explainer of the phenomena of subconscious life, although the mentality is highly activated : majority of the attention is focused on surface consciousness.

    • As a benefit, this native is not bogged down by much intrigue or covert dealings; being able to quickly, mercurially move around subconscious blockage.

    For this reason:

    • an excellent position for negotiators and diplomats (Jimmy Carter , Hillary Clinton) who are able to speedily, verbally, assure and assuage the unacknowledged psychological resistance which people often bring into controversial or adversarial situations.

    Das / Behari: says of Kanya = bhava-12:

    • "You feel a sense of responsibility which affects your every day life.

    • You would rather act than talk about virtues.

    • You would like to spread goodwill amongst all."

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