House Eight Randhra Ayur Bhava 8th-from angle - Barbara Pijan Lama Jyotisha Vedic Astrology

L-8 and Divorce

Periods of the L-8 can potentially trigger a divorce if the 2nd-from-7th becomes problematic. Fruits of 8 = 11th-from-8 = domain-6 = dissolution of agreement.

Previously unrecognized matters regarding the spouse may come to light during periods of L-8.

The "hidden" dynamics which may suddenly emerge to motivate a cycle of death-and-rebirth include karaka matters of 2nd-from.

= wealth, family of origin, values, collections, food, knowledge of history and language, speech and song.

In regard to the effect of periods of L-8 upon marriage, the karaka-2nd matters should be read from the lagna of the spouse = 7th bhava.
- spousal wealth behaviors = methods of earning, saving, and spending money; hoard-management; acquisitions and collections
- spousal family behaviors = spousal development of lineage family traits, one's in-laws
- spousal speech behaviors = one of voice and language usage
- spousal food behaviors = eating and drinking patterns
- spousal knowledge behaviors = lineage values, aesthetics
- spousal face = teeth, mouth, jaw, eyes, hair

Hidden relationships:

L-8 does not signify hidden intrigue relationships of the spouse.
Rather, L-8 suggests secrecy and taboo behaviors On the part of the native .
When the L-8 is benign, the manifestation of "secrecy" in periods of L-8 can be culturally interpreted as "keeping one's own counsel". One is simply less prone to expose one's own intentions during any era of L-8.
If divorce is otherwise forecast due to 2nd-from behaviors of the spouse, the native's own response may indeed be to pursue hidden liaisons which are tantrik, catastrophic, and transformative in nature.

Special note on Harsha Yoga:

if L-8 occupies domain-6 or domain-12 at birth, the native will have persistent experience of conflict with spousal handling of money, spousal voice and mouth, the in-laws, etc. Yet due to Harsha Yoga these irritations become beneficial during periods of L-8.

Joint Assets: The Time, Money, and Creative Energy Invested in Partnership

Domain-8 is the house of mysterious pooled assets. One invests money in a corporate stock or a government bond, but one cannot exactly know what financial fruit the investment will yield.

One invests in a marriage partner, with all good intentions at the wedding, but who on that blessed day can know the to-be-revealed financial and moral behaviors of the spouse?

Despite the careful negotiations of parents on both sides, what fresh bride or hopeful groom has a full understanding the family cultural values of the spouse's family? (2nd-from-7th = in-laws)

What mother in childbirth, gripped in the intense pain of labor, is certain of a healthy outcome for the birth? In fact, it is a highly complex situation and everyone involved is watching very carefully for surprises, even in the most controlled hospital setting.

These things are largely mysteries, and their outcome depends on conditions of the 8th house.

Over time, the investment each spouse makes into the marriage is contained in domain-8 the "joint assets of marriage".

Is the spouse a strong contributor to the financial holding of the partnership?

If yes, expect a strong graha in 8.
Is the spouse a delayed or disturbed contributor?
Shani with a difficult graha.
Is the spouse loyal (values) and steadfast, whether wealthy or not?
See the spouse's values, and the behavior of one's in-laws from the first marriage, in domain-8.

Joint Assets in Divorce: Recovery of Investment

In a divorce situation, particularly the first divorce (but the blueprint applies less vividly to the matter of joint-assets in all subsequent marriages as well)
Will one be able to recover the value of years of time, money, and creative energy that was invested in the first-marriage partnership? If domain-8 and its lord are strong and positive, the answer is yes.

Transformation of Assets

Recovery of investment may arrive in the form of a divorce settlement such as alimony or a property allocation from the joint assets of the partnership.
The woman who selflessly worked to pay her spouse's tuition for medical school, only to be served with divorce papers after he is established in a profitable practice, may find (if her 8th domain is well-configured) that the value of her investment in the marriage has been "transformed" like everything in 8 - the house of sudden and forced changes.
However, I have seen results such as that her children's college tuition is then paid by the ex-spouse by court order, or the ex-spouse must sell an art collection (2nd-from-7th, spousal collections) and the other half receives cash proceeds.
Typically, the property accrued in the marriage is split in some way and the ex-spouses receive some "transformed" value.
The amount and the speed of disposition are indicated by L-8 and randhra bhava.

Emotional Assistance or Interference in Disposition of Joint Assets

Check 8th-from-Chandra to verify one's emotional expectations and reactive behaviors in regard to joint assets of marriage.

If this bhava predicts a positive effect, one may emotionally assist the resolution and recovery process through a positive expectation of healing and renewal in relationships.
If this bhava predicts a negative effect, one may interfere emotionally in grievance proceedings and damage the otherwise favorable outcomes predicted by the radix 8th conditions.

Shani as Lord or an empowered occupant of randhra bhava

L-8 Shani is good but He is still Shani = success after lengthy procedure and considerable delay. One may experience reversal of a negative tax judgment which favorably declares that the spouse knew nothing of the tax-misdeeds of the married partner. Or, with difficult graha in 8, the spousal deception can continue and one will not regain the value of the investment. It may be time to accept and move on.

Surprise and shock: money

A profound change in social identity may result from sudden change in the size of the hoard.
Sources of such a shocking, un-anticipated influx of available resources include lineage financial inheritance, winning of lotteries and games, and sudden increase in the wealth of the spouse
Games of Chance -- whether a spin on a casino gambling machine or a political elections campaign or prizes for performance or literary accomplishments = domain-5, the house of creative, speculative intelligence.
The wealth of others = domain-8 = assets of the partner, hidden money, inheritance.

Sudden winnings from speculation (gambling) = domain-5 combined with domain-8.

If domain-5 is strong while domain-8 is weak:

lotteries, gambling dice, card games, etc. may be won and the native is generally lucky in games, but the winnings will be quickly spent, not held for long enough for the native to e.g. purchase a higher-status home, or fund a generation of college tuitions.
On the easier side, one's children will not be caught up in one's own internal cycles of change. For example if one experiences a traumatic divorce, the children (esp. the first child) can be expected to weather that storm in good standing and be relatively less impacted by the suddenness of the changes.

If domain-8 is strong while domain-5 is weak,

The native will experience many profound and perhaps shocking changes in the periods of the L-8, but few of those changes will involve sudden winnings from games, nor will the changes unduly involve one's children.

If domain-8 and domain-5 are both strong and related in the nativity,

Inheritances and winnings are both favored, the native will retain the winnings-wealth for longer periods of time, and the native may experience numerous fluctuations in social identity thereby.
The children or the products of one's inherent creativity (e.g., authorship of literary and artistic works) will be involved in the grand drama of identity change; for example, should the native win or inherit a surprisingly large hoard of wealth, the children's identities will be significantly affected too. Normally this means that the children are raised in a home where the story of the sudden change in wealth is part of the family culture.

R Andhra bhava, a natural domain of Mangala, rules Open-close functions - including "sudden" open-close and "gradual" open-close.

The perception of suddenness occurs when the native is unprepared or unguided during the event.

The perception of sudden or shocking transformation may be converted into the perception of knowledgeable observance of the changes. This perceptual conversion is available through many varieties of tantric education.

Tantra

Tantra is the practice of perceptual transformation. Tantric education includes training in emergency medicine, trauma response, forensic science, midwifery, psychiatry, and shamanistic healing, inter alia. There are also many other disciplines that specialize in tracking the movement of energy from One material form into Another material form.

there are many ways to manage human response to the turning of the wheel of birth and death. Matters of domain-8 are inherently hidden from public view, but matters of domain-8 are not inherently dangerous or frightening.

the proper perspective on matters of domain-8 is focused awareness and cautious intervention from a foundation of both instinct and skill.

Self-Destruction - good and bad

Everyone has a "self-destructive" urge to action (Mangala). This desire for annihilation and rebirth is represented by domain-8, randhra bhava.

Whether the results of Randhra's "emergency" behavior are positive or negative in the lifetime, or whether the behavior is judged as positive or negative within one's culture of origin, depends on the characteristics of the house.

he urge to self-destruction may manifest as a cycle of religious initiations that are consciously intended to destroy outdated layers of the ego-personality (8th-from-1st) and replace old structures with new identity. Domain-8 is the sthana of initiation and rebirth.

If the graha in occupation and also the bhava pati are well-disposed, the native may enjoy a lifetime of tantric initiations which result in magnificent liberation from material attachments. The native may be judged a failure by those lacking eyes to see the value of such a profoundly transformative process. However for the native who does not cling to the past and who embraces the prospect of total destruction as the only possible condition of total rebirth, domain-8 is a site of shocking transformation leading to magical empowerment.

Domain-8 is co-ruled by Ketu and Mangala. This pair work reasonably well together: Ketu is the detacher and the distancer; while Mangala is the aggressive destroyer. They are agents of Lord Shiva's campaign to annihilate old worlds and create new worlds with every cycle of breath. One who is able to understand and appreciate this process may engage in a state of constant uncertainty and ongoing emergency in order to maximize the experience of "looking into Shiva's mouth" - where matters of birth and death, pain and pleasure, creation and destruction, exist in complete harmony and equality.

In "Shiva's Mouth" there is no boundary between right and wrong nor between happiness and unhappiness. Few humans can tolerate the constant challenge to one's natural acquisitive tendencies which is represented by Randhra Bhava, but for those who can comprehend even a part of this "mystery" there is much value in the occurrences of sudden and catastrophic change which are enforced by periods of the planetary lord of Mrityu.

Less desirable effects occur when the L-8 finds it way into a problematic angle. When the L-8 arises in domain-6, the house of drug addictions, the native's response to catastrophic change or the threat of it will manifest in self-destructive self-medication or conflict-ridden altercations with others.

The native tends to get locked into long-term self-destructive conflict, particularly in marriage and contractual relationships, where the energy of Big Wheel Turning bring no resolution (nothing in domain-6 will resolve within the currently lifetime!) but simply churns and churns. The native's inner narrative says that one is "putting some strong energy [L-8] into crafting agreements" while in fact the core eighth-house energy is dedicated to destruction and rebirth - conflicts are destroyed through force and then reborn quickly!

By contrast, a good situation may be predicted when the L-6, an agent of disagreement and imbalance, moves into Ayur bhava. Any graha which occupies domain-8 will get caught in the relentless cycle of destruction-and-rebirth driven by Mangala and Ketu. The L-6 carries an agenda of debt, addiction, exploitation, and conflict which is quickly pulverized by the crushing Wheel of transformation, and the native can be predicted to live largely debt-free, unable to maintain grudges or long-lasting conflicts, free of harassment from police or military oppression, of generally good health, and no serious enemies. L-6 in 8th house is an indicator of "health, wealth and stealth".

Similarly, L-8 in domain-12 churns up the imagination, fills the mind full of fantasies of terrifying destruction, and creates a constant threat of marital infidelity due to the inner urge to put some strong energy [L-8 ruled by Kuja is very sexual] into "private" relationships that are inherently adversarial to socially contracted marriage (domain-12 = 6th-from-7th). The native interior imagery may wildly exagerate the terrible consequences of cyclic, advancing change [conservative doom-sayer Rush Limbaugh].

Dreams are disturbed by imagery of rapid destruction and re-creation. The native may die a restless death. [Example = Angelina Jolie. Her L-8 = Shani which is less dramatic, more constrained by duty.]

By contrast, L-12 in domain-8 is a good thing. The listless, physically dissolving, swinging-bridge of vyaya bhava that conveys life-force energy away from the physical plane and moves it to the astral plane, is destroyed-and-rebuilt a thousand million times when L-12 enters Mrityu bhava. The native's creative imagination is harnessed to the service of world transformation, and one may become involved in international (12) change (8) movements. "Backwash" outflow of the physical energy into the astral plane is stopped although not reversed; instead, the imagery of the subconscious mind (12) is directed toward energizing the tantric and magical life processes. Directed by spirit guides, one becomes imaginatively engaged in numerous initiations. [ Steve Jobs, om Cruise]

he graha must indeed be of good quality for such a nativity to yield mastery of the tantric disciplines (for example, the guides can be improperly motivated if the lord is corrupt). Nevertheless, the overall benefit of converting L-12's dissolving tendencies into fuel for the sudden-change engine is that the physical vitality increases, and extra-marital impulse is much reduced (not entirely reversed, but largely directed into secret initiations.)

Whichever graha occupy domain-8 become fuel for the Kuja-Ketu magical-transformation engine of hidden and secret tantric processes in the human consciousness. Will the native become a victim of this process or an instigator of it? A long-lived and wise magician, or a tragic childhood death? A brilliant surgeon or psychiatrist? An attorney of wills and estates? Or a sorcerer, caster of curses, agent of superstitious fear and petty control? Will "self-destructive" urges be recognized as healing transformations, or will the native and-or his culture adjudge such behaviors to be undesirable?

Answers to these queries will be found in the character of any graha in occupation of Mrityusthana and in the placement of the notorious L-8.

See L-8 in the 12 Domains.

Shani in Ayur bhava: Difficulties of adversarial Shani in the house of Mangala-Ketu

One graha who is naturally unwelcome in domain-8 is the natural adversary of both Ketu and Mangala: the lord of "anti-change" Shani. The portfolio of Shanaiscarya includes all activities of resistance to change, such as retardation, restriction, containment, fixation, laws, orderly processes and protocols, caution, conservation, and the "finality" of death.

There is of course nothing "final" about physical death, which is simply a phase of transformation of identity as the native's consciousness disconnects from the physical body and reattaches itself to a more active affiliation with the astral body (soul). The turning of the cycle of life and death is endless.

When Shani occupies domain-8 there is great resistance to death, a fear of the turning of the cycle, and thus the native is prevented from getting out of bondage of attachment to the physical body for an extended period of time. Shani in domain-8 lengthens the physical lifetime. Typical cause of death is "old age".

Shani in Ayur bhava: Social judgment

Shani is also the karaka for "society" which is the expression of what Carl Jung called the "collective unconscious". Society, collections of individuals organized into groups, is inherently lawful, and the amorphous entity called "society" has a mandate to maximize survival through stability, physical security, safety, longevity; and these are in turn maximized through conformity of the social order.

Kuja the warrior and Surya the king represent the individual whereas Shani represents society, the law, and the group. The native will be extremely cautious and fearful of change throughout life. There may be Anxiety and worry about the slightest disruption to routine. In character such a native is judgmental and intolerant of individual intelligence, but this surface grumpiness is merely an expression of the deepest inner terror of change and death. Mangala's drishti upon domain-8 when Shani occupies randhra bhava creates a deep and permanent anxiety over the threat of a violent death.

Shani in Ayur bhava: Longevity

When evaluating a nativity with Shani in domain-8, it may be tempting to happily proclaim "ah, here is Shani in Mrityusthana, you will have a long life!" as if that were some variety of great benefit to the native. It is not. Domain-8 is a hostile territory for Shani. The native will work hard to fend off death, getting locked into a work routine or other psychological denial pattern, unable to relax into the wave pattern of birth and death.

Resistance to childbirth, fear of new life

Women with Shani in domain-8 may have a terror of childbirth with its pain, transformation, and emergence of new life - a woman will never be the same after childbirth, and while most women embrace the transformation, the female with Shani in domain-8 may express such profound resistance to catastrophic change that one is unable to conceive a child.

IIf other fertility issues are present in the nativity, Shani in Ayur bhava shows resistance to new life, and this can be the "nail in the coffin" which creates childlessness for a woman. She may experience extreme frustration in this situation, unable to acknowledge her own resistance, because what she perceives in her own fear-restricted consciousness is a desire to conform to social expectations as the best route toward achieving the highest levels of social safety and material security.

Shani in Ayur bhava: Elderly and Socially Established,

The native prefers the company of the elderly and those with established social position, not due to snobbery, but because these companions pose no threat to Shani's carefully constructed defensive walls against sudden and unmanageable change.

The native may also prefer a salaried job (8th = 11th from 10th) with large, putatively stable, social organizations such as large corporations, government-military, or worldwide church. Entrepreneurial instincts with their inherent instability to do appeal to this native.
Shani in domain-8 generally does not generally indicate a happy life, but simply a long one, dominated by fear of change, and deprivation of access to the fruits of healing transformation.
The native is characteristically "stuck" in a pattern of clinging to the past (Shani) and unable to enjoy the refreshment of cyclic healing and change.

Body Parts

sphincters and valves in the human body
- includes the 40+ voluntary And involuntary muscle sphincters of the human body, in the eyes, mouth, stomach, urethra, and anus.
- includes the heart-valve and vein-valve systems
culturally "secret places" in the body (what is "secret" varies by local custom) and the fearful excitement of opening the secret places
pelvic cavity, uterine cervix
internal or "hidden" parts of the genital-reproductive system
parts of the body which are accessible only via invasive surgery
dangerous allergies, catastrophic response to hidden toxins, sudden exposure to hazardous environments
mysterious medical pathologies or un-diagnosed diseases
2nd-from-7th = eyes, mouth, teeth, jaw, face, or hair Of the spouse

~~ Opening the Dragon Gate. (1998). Chen Kaiguo, Zheng Shunchao, Thomas F. Cleary; Tuttle Pub.

"From the eighth house, know about private parts and their diseases, longevity, etc."

-- Madhya Parashari, Ch. 9 , Shloka 8

How to read the effects of dusthamsha lords:

"The lord of 8, wherever he stands or whatever he aspects, destroys the effect of the house He occupies or the planet He aspects.

If the lord of 8 is strong, the good effects of the planet as such (without reference to the houses where it is posited or aspects) will come to pass in its Dasa and Bhukthi periods.
If the lord of 8 is weak, none of the good effects will be felt. Only bad results will be felt.

... If the lord of 8 is strong and occupies a dushthamsha evil effects will be greater.

In this way, read the effects of the lord of 3, 6, 8, and 12."

- B. V. Raman, ACatechism of Astrology, p. 91

Randhra means "aperture" or opening.
The eighth house provides an opening onto mysteries of the "secret" or unseen.
Graha in randhra bhava, and the L-8 from lagna and Chandra, are inherently self-destructive.

"Randhra" or how he/she Opens, is seen via:

8th house from radix lagna
8th house from Chandra
8th house from Saturn (Shani is karaka of 8th house)

"... both the 8th from Shani and 12th from Shani stand for consideration .. in respect of ... death." -- BPHS, Ch. 7, Shloka 39-43]

he astrological picture of hidden matters, conditions of death, and healing powers is expanded by noting:

radix lord of 8th-from-lagna
radix lord of 8th-from-Chandra
karakas: Mangala and Ketu
8th-from-8th, or Sahaja bhava
radix (D-1) planets in the 8th rashi = Vrischikha (Scorpio)
navamsha rashi of the lord of radix L-8
8th from Mangala
8th from Ketu

Domain-8: Yogas to Other Houses
1st-from-8th Initiation Transformation Re-birth New Beginnings Emergent knowledge Cycle of Birth and Death secret And covert	Healing Emergencies -- Spiritual Emergence = Essence of Domain-8 Healers physical: midwives, surgeons, emergency physicians, paramedics, triage nurses social-emotional: psychiatrists, deep psychotherapists, charismatic healers psycho-spiritual: tantriks, magicians, shamans, spirit channelers. "worries" (= concern for matters which one cannot control, such as the spouse's family and conditions of death) Hidden Matters visually inaccessible "hidden" body parts: Genitals/Anus secret or forbidden things = Mysteries and Occult matters Special L-8 effects for Thulalagna and Mesha lagna
2nd-from-7th Spouse's Skandha: Spouse's Family Culture (one's own in-laws) Spouse's Knowledge of History and Language Spouse's collections of art, music, other Valuables Spouse's speech, voice, mouth Spouse's Wealth After divorce = ex-spouse's replacement partner (often the step-parent for one's children) Agents over whom one has No Control	Estate of first spouse = wealth stored in bank accounts, hoards and warehouses, family history, knowledge traditions, cultural legacies, arts and music joint assets in first marriage mouth of the first spouse, including what goes in the mouth and what comes out of the mouth - food, language, verbal expression, and physical mechanisms of speech, face, teeth, tongue, lips, jawbone, hair, varieties of languages spoken by the spouse, spouse's verbal opinions (is your spouse outspoken? bad teeth? inarticulate? gifted with languages? look to domain-8) family of origin of the first spouse - i.e., "In-Laws", spouse's entire extended family considered as a group wealth (2nd) of the dead (from-7th) = inheritance, legacy - "hidden wealth" which emerges only after death spouse's capability for Record-keeping and managing collections - particularly the spouse's abilities in money-saving and hoard-management Insurance, pooled wealth held within contracted agreements - mysterious outcomes of all kinds legacies and inheritance by written contract (Last Will and Testament) Death of First Spouse (also, graha which is 7th-from-7th or the radix lagna can be be the timing agent for spousal death - also for a female 2/7 from Guru or for a male 2/7from Shukra. Death timing in Jyotisha is somewhat complex.) Divorce = end of the spousal physical relationship. (The legal dissolution of marriage contract = domain-6, broken promises.) Domain-8 is the place to look after a first divorce involving custody of young children, because the character of the step-parent (ex-spouse's replacement partner) is found in the native's own randhra bhava. Naturally, there is much mystery surrounding this person and concern about their behavior which is out of the native's control. Some considerations for the custody-sharing parent: Domain-8 = he second spouse of one's own ex-first spouse. That is, see the second partner of one's first ex-spouse via domain-8. Malefic graha in 8 indicate little wealth coming to the native in a divorce settlement from the first divorce. Malefic graha in 8 indicate that one's own ex-spouse will have some trouble from that malefic within their second union. Shani in 8 - after the first divorce, the ex-spouse has considerable resistance to remarriage. If Shani is dignified, a stable second marriage for the ex-spouse after a long delay. Shani in 8 shows a minimal financial contribution from the first spouse during the first union, but if there is divorce then a step-parent for any joint children will not appear until after a long delay. If Shani is very strong, such a post-divorce remarriage for the ex might be fully blocked. Mangala in 8, rapid and possibly impulsive remarriage for the ex-first-spouse. If Mangala is dignified, the ex-spouse's remarriage may be financially beneficial because Mangala is the natural lord of 8. For example an uchcha Kuja in the native's own domain-8 would signal that after first divorce, the ex-spouse marries a capable and competitive businessperson. Rahu in 8, ex-spouse re-marries a taboo-breaking or exotic partner. This agent is unstable socially, and the ex's replacement marriage therefore might not last long. Ketu in 8 : the ex-spouse may feel great ambivalence toward a second marriage, to the extent that no legal replacement union occurs. Ketu's lord will determine whether the native can tolerate or even enjoy the behavior of this agent. Benefic graha in 8 indicate that one's own ex-spouse will have some ease from that benefic within their second union. Shukra in 8 - agent is a pleasant and often wealthy or comfort-loving individual, easy to get along with. In a shared parenting arrangement, this individual is agreeable. Guru in 8 - not only a favorable financial settlement after one's first divorce, but also a jovial and inclusive subsequent mate for your ex. Chandra in 8 - the replacement spouse is deeply parental. Some cause for jealousy on the part of the native perhaps, but shared parenting is sincere. Surya in 8 - - the replacement spouse is very confident of personal ability and needs lots of attention. Although one may not wish to cater to this person's ego needs, the children will get to see a strong personality at work. Easier if this agent is a male. Budha in 8 - - the replacement spouse is talkative and a planner. The native may be surprised by offers of friendship from this agent. other people's money - pooled funds - Taxes lottery - windfalls pension funds (pension payments = domain-11) stock market fluctuation as a "mysterious" cyclical economic phenomenon [however the individual's win/lose from any type of speculation = domain-5]
3rd-from-6th	thinking about conflict and disagreement = "worry" communications with enemies mental condition of one's enemies communications with loan-sharks, prostitutes, and drug addicts mental effects of physical illness, animosity, or debt anxiety, stress fear of war, fear of attack Thinking about disease, strategic and tactical approaches to disease, detailed medical documentation pharmaceutical and medical supply sales selling, marketing, advertising of criminal or illegal items
4th-from-5th	children's home and vehicle property property acquired by speculation, or gambling ownership of landed property, deeds and titles, which is produced by political or financial winnings children's emotional certainty and social-cultural security (Do the children belong in a deep and rooted way to the parents culture? domain-8 for the parent will tell.) emotional security gained from true Confidence indoctrination schooling of one's children (it is rather mysterious to the parents what happens to the children when they are in school!) vehicles of one's children education gained from creative explorations, adventures education in performing arts
5th-from-4th	"Luck" in property matters, increases in property value Tantric knowledge obtained by starting with a traditional educational foundation (4) then adding divine creative intelligence (5) creativity, winnings and speculations of one's children bhaga from the family roots: legacies, w ills and inheritance good luck and fame resulting from education and cultural foundations literary and theatrical works written at home children born at home, midwifery creative expansion of the mother's family culture
6th-from-3rd	illness, debt, or conflict of siblings and team-mates conflict among co-workers slanderous communications insult, defamation, innuendo, smear campaigns debt and conflict in matters of business administration business loans stealing from business accounts, embezzlement "wretched persons" corruption, scandal, concealment
7th-from-2nd	values shared with others; shared values of partnership joint assets of marriage contracts fulfilled upon death (inheritances, wills) values and hoarded wealth of the first spouse previous spouse of one's 2nd spouse
8th-from-1st *Cycle of Birth and Death* Recovery	Conditions (not timing) of Death Longevity life-saving rescues Mysterious and Undiagnosable Diseases which are cured Recovery = "New Lease on Life" (apparent) final phase or point of End-of-Cycle turning point, return, myth of eternal return Recycling sudden movements, sudden changes (apparent) Restoration (inc. Historic Restoration) renovation, cosmetic surgeries surgeries and healings - psychic and physical the 'fontanelle' = "randhra" = the healing aperture at the top of the human skull
9th-from-12th	good fortune from meditation and private religious practice blessings upon a sanctuary, hospital, ashram, or healing center good results from loss of identity = meditative calm spiritual benefits of traveling in foreign land ceremonial religions of foreign lands (= inscrutable)
10th-from-11th	prestige in one's network of associates position in the marketplace of goods and ideas leadership position in networked businesses, such as computer networks, marketing networks honor of friends rules for achieving high position
11th-from-10th	L-8 = the partner's contribution to the joint assets of the union also = the spouse's family (one's in-laws). The spouse's knowledge and the spouse's family of origin can provide a secret agency of ultimate gainfulness in the native's career. If Randhra and L-8 are strong, the in-laws may be an important source of confidential information which increases the power of the career. "fruits" (11) of public leadership and social rank (10) = access to secret or privileged knowledge (financial, social, historical, magical, tantrik, mystical, healing, sexual, medical, yogic). gains from public leadership position and responsibilities gains from service in iconic, high-trust positions gains from high title, status and prestige, broad reputation goals and achievements realized through responsibility and conformance to public law
12th-from-9th	loss of public priesthood, loss of ritual performance roles, dissolution of orthodox religious beliefs loss of temple privileges loss of religious fellowship, loss of company of believers Shamanism Tantra loss of professorship, loss of guru role, loss of academic or wisdom credentials loss of fatherhood, loss/absence of father loss of good fortune, loss of blessings, loss of conventional wisdom Difficulties of longer journeys concealed wealth concealed knowledge
9th-from- 12th-from-4th (stronger profile = 9th-from-	maternal great grandfather paternal great grandmother

Longevity

Domain-8 and L-8 indicate longevity. They indicate the circumstances of death, but not the timing of death.

(Timing of death is known by the periods of L-2 and L-7 from lagna. )

Lagna ("line") can be the lagna for any person, e.g.,

lagna for younger sibling = house-3;
lagna for mother = house containing Chandra;
lagna for oneself is generally the rashi lagna of radix

A few longevity rules:

if L-8 is weak, longevity is harmed; if L-8 is strong, longevity is helped
L-8 in house-8 gives exceptional longevity
Shani = the karaka for persistence and old age; in randhra bhava, Shani gives long life
benefics in house-8 do not improve longevity unless L-8 is strong
however benefics in house-8 do signify pleasant conditions for death
if L-8 or house-8 receives unfavorable aspects, longevity is harmed
if L-8 or house-8 receives favorable aspects, longevity is helped

Dushthamsha lords in Domain-8 = Viparita Raja Yoga

when any house lord occupies randhra bhava, the matters of that lord's house are "apparently destroyed" (= undergo a hidden transformation)
for those who have eyes to see, the matter is radically transformed due to a sudden turn of the cycle of birth and death. (Nothing is really lost, although the essence of the matter does acquire a new shape after the transformation.)

It is always good therefore when dushthamsha lords occupy house-8

L-6 in house-8 = Harsha Yoga = destroys enemies, debts, and disease
L-12 in house-8 =Vimala Yoga = destroys losses, including loss of identity -- gives a strong identity!
L-3 in house-12 can indicate a clairsentient message-transmitter who communicates with spirits of those who no longer possess flesh-bodies.
L-3 in 8 can help writers who produce murder mysteries, and those who administer the bureaucracies of death; Excellent for attorneys handling wills and estates. Also good for writers who specialize in subject-matter of hidden cycles and regeneration.
L-8 in house-8 while not a Viparita Raja Yoga is a creator of New Foundations via Good Luck and Divine Intelligence (4th-from-5th) L-8 in 8 is a strong position, and it brings forward hidden legacies of knowledge, money, and matters of the face (eyes, hair, mouth, voice etc.).
(Exalted benefics in house-8 bring large alimony, inheritances, and insurance settlements.)

Transformation/Destruction

Domain-8 represents the core life process of destruction and reconstitution. his is a level of consciousness to which few are invited and even fewer attend.

Domain-8 rules dramatic moments of the turning of the wheel of birth and death. In these moments, one life-force container is destroyed and the life force moves - by nature or through tantric controlled direction - into the next container or form.

The "emerging" of the life force - caught in the moment between leaving its old container and entering its new form, is the essence of domain-8.

When any graha occupies randhra sthana, the matters of his house are apparently destroyed. Actually, the matters of the house are Transformed, but unless we observe the entire cycle it certainly looks like destruction. he destructive force of house-8 can be a very good thing if a dushthamsha lord occupies house-8, where the negative effects of the dushthamsha lord do get ruined. In general, "bad planets in bad houses give good results".

For example, when L-6 poverty, debt, conflict, disease] in house-8 = all those nasty things are destroyed.

Barring other restrictions, the native may become very wealthy, because debt is destroyed. Their health is generally quite good, because the disease lord is annihilated in house-8.

Similarly, their relationships will tend to be balanced and tolerant, even without good planets in house-7, because the conflict and animosity lord has been transformed into a healing agent. There is little contact with police and their tax situation is very favorable.

L-12 in house-8 similarly is beneficial. L-12 gives "losses on good account" such as charitable donations, time spent meditating and not earning money, spiritual pilgrimages which deplete the native's social and financial resources, alienation, excess of imagination such as "living in one's head".

L-12 in randhra bhava = L-12 in 9th-from-swakshetra, which brings good dharma.

The native is not harmed by long journeys, but rather his/her career and social standing are advanced through contact with exotic lands and foreign religions. Meditation time bears financial fruit - often because the native learns thereby psychic skills for creating wealth through imagination, rather than through material effort. (House-8 is the seat of Tantra.) L-12 ruling "loss of ego" normally depletes the native's "cultural capital" by causing him to live as an alien in foreign lands, where his appearance is unattractive and his habits misunderstood.

However with L-12 in house-8, native's long journeys enhance his identity in his homeland and raise his esteem in foreign lands. S/he will often with this yoga return as a traveler to ancient lands where s/he had been in the priesthood, in past lives. Good fortune through foreign things. Auspicious houses are deeply damaged when their lord occupies a dushthamsha.

L-7-in-house-8 is famous for destroying the life of the spouse. It may cause death or divorce (psycho-emotional death) but this situation is always perilous for marriage, and usually signifies remarriage after great effort expended in the first marriage - to no avail.

L-10 in house-8 can be gainful because randhrastana is 11th-from-10th, but the career will lack prestige and the native will suffer repeated cycles of transformative destruction in their work. (Excellent position for all healers: surgeons, psychiatrists/psychologists, archeologists, massage therapists, etc.)

L-1 in house-8 is rather dangerous, reducing longevity and causing affiliation with emergency scenes. The physical body undergoes constant and vigorous cycles of destructive-constructive transformation and rebirth. Physical appearance has attributes of several ethnicities or the person is psycho-emotionally allied with conflicting, unresolved cultural messages. The cultural identity is very difficult to establish firmly; being constantly reinterpreted and redefined. This is frequently a birth in tribal or cultural peoples who are being redefined in their greater society. The native becomes a bridge for his people, although his own identity is permanently unstable. Can be a brilliant healer but is often "used up" in the cultural transition process.

Periods of L-8 = shock and trauma, forced initiation; a rapidly destructive-creative process; usually an experience of death recycle rebirth which does not require destroying the body, but after a certain number of cycle-spins the physical form will be destroyed to create a new birth

Hidden Truths of the Cycle of Birth and Death

The eighth radix house contains a vast amount of "hidden" information regarding the timing of the cycle of birth and death.

Randhra is a quintessentially Tantric house. Randhra contains the profile of one's Tabooactivities and Healing powers of all kinds, but especially Sexual healing. It is a dangerous, unpredictable, exciting, and mysterious house showing massive currents in personal and collective subconscious rising to the surface.

Hiding Behaviors

Graha in domain-8 signify hiding and secrets. The core image of randhra bhava is the shamanistic hunter, moving cautiously through the thick forest, alert to hidden energies which may suddenly emerge at any moment. The outcome of the hunter's awareness could lead to a successful capture, or it could protect one from surprise attack. In any case, graha in domain-8 must pay profound attention to the Unseen.

G raha in domain-8 either hide things, or are hidden, or both.

Mysterious and Undiagnosable Diseases - Chaos and Recovery

Periods of L-8 can induces mysterious diseases or ill-health conditions, which are very difficult to diagnose. Often the condition is "life threatening" -- yet within the period of L-8 the native recovers. For the duration of the period of L-8, the native experiences sudden body changes running Out of control. he body changes may be subtle or dramatic overall but there are always some dramatic peaks. ypically, no medical or psychological intervention succeeds in curing the problem. However the condition will be healed during the period of L-8.

Periods of L-8cause a turning of the cycle of birth and death. he result on the material plane is a temporary physical weakening due to the deep changes which are happening in the more subtle levels or origination (causal, astral, etheric etc.) during this time. After a life-threatening illness or accident which has been suddenly healed, the native may comprehend that in some sense one has died and been reborn.

The Job Interview

A mathematician, an accountant and an economist apply for the same job. The interviewer calls in the mathematician and asks "What do two plus two equal?"

The mathematician replies "Four."

The interviewer asks "Four, exactly?"

The mathematician looks at the interviewer incredulously and says "Yes, four, exactly."

Then the interviewer calls in the accountant and asks the same question: "What do two plus two equal?"

The accountant says, "On average, four -- give or take 10%, but, on average, four."

Then the interviewer calls in the economist and poses the same question: "What do two plus two equal?"

The economist gets up, locks the door, closes the shade, sits down next to the interviewer, and says, "What do you want it to equal?"

Recovery = "New Lease on Life"

Sometimes this initiation-transformation experience is entirely psychological (depending on the ruling graha).

More frequently, the experience is specifically physical, and one has the sense of a "narrow escape" from death or a "new lease on life" after a catastrophic upheaval of body, mind, and spirit.

Death of Spouse and Divorce

L-8 is a timing agent for death of the spouse and/or divorce. (The variety of divorce wherein the spouse is effectively if not physically dead.)

In the case of death or divorce of the spouse, the mandate for profound change in all of the interconnected particulate levels of being will begin quite high up in the chain of events, with divorce occurring as a trickle-down effect.

During periods of L-8, all levels of being need to be transformed. If cataclysmic movement is required at the social level, death of spouse or divorce may occur as a form of extreme disruption of the habitual psycho-social behaviors.

Naturally there are physical consequences following this upstream disruption, including emotional chaos and associated illnesses. Also if the process is successful one may feel reborn. After an L-8 period of near annihilation, the native slowly regains control of the physical body. The outcome = a different and more subtle attunement to spiritual awareness. he nature of the conditions of near-death or severe and mysterious illness or accident will be found in the characteristics of L-8. Accident is more likely if Rahu is involved.

Special L-8 effects for Thula lagna and Mesha lagna

For Thula lagna and Mesha lagna, L-8 = lagnesha.

For Thula and Mesha nativities, periods of the L-8 often provide surprising "initiation" experiences which require the breakdown of some rigid, outdated habit structures in the physical body in order to permit flow of higher energies from above.

Certain when the period of L-8 is either the first bhukti of a mahadasha, or the final Vimshottari period of a mahadasha, the "sudden, forced change" pattern is more vivid.

For Thula, Shukra/Shukra period and Surya/Shukra period may involve significant illness, surgery, or other method of making changes to the body.
For Mesha lagna, periods of Kuja/Kuja And Rahu/Kuja are prone to serious accidents and other sudden changes for the body. Results of Rahu/Kuja depend on character of Rahu.

he illness or sustained debility or accidental violence (particularly for Mesha lagna) may be quite frightening due to its shocking severity or mysterious nature.

However these initiation-transformations last only for the duration of the period of L-8. They should be understood as "sudden, forced change" in the structure of the physical form which is necessary to facilitate the flow of kundalini energy from higher particulate levels.

Emergencies Physical, Mental, Emotional, and Spiritual

Randhra profiles the emergence of subconsciously stored reactive patterns. As such it is the house of Emergencies.

Physical "emergence" such as birth is a specialty of Randhra. We see the great midwives, surgeons, emergency physicians, paramedics, triage nurses, etc. all displaying strength in Randhra Bhava. (Usually also with an empowered Kuja.)

Mental and emotional emergence is here, as are the great psychiatrists, charismatic healers, and a multitude of therapists. Spiritual emergence in particular is the most fascinating "peak" content of Randhra bhava. Here we find the great Tantric practitioners, magicians, shamans, and spirit channelers.

Spiritual Emergence = Essence of Domain-8

"If we accept that liberation is possible, how exactly is it to be understood?

In the scriptures, liberation is characterized in terms of four features.

The first feature describes it as the true cessation of the continuum of afflictions.
According to the second feature, liberation is true peace, the state of total tranquility where the individual has attained complete freedom from all defilements of the mind.
It is described in the third feature as totally satisfying, because one has reached ultimate satisfaction.
Fourth, it is described as definite emergence, in the sense that one has definitely emerged from the process of unenlightened existence."
~~ H. H. Dalai Lama, The Dalai Lama's Book of Awakening

Stock market fluctuations, Taxes, other unpredictable cyclical financials = Sacrifice

Taxes

Although the primitive, "me first" elements of the personality (Mesha) unfortunately can't see this truth, tithing and taxes are actually a powerful transformative device which propels the engine of forward movement (Mangala) in life.
However like everything associated with domain-8, taxes are a "sacrifice": they take away something in order to provide an upgraded version of that same something, in the next iteration of the cycle.
Taxes are part of a financial cycle. Taxes eradicate a portion of one's previous material holdings *so that new* holdings may subsequently enter the life.
It is quite foolish to resist paying taxes and it is quite helpful to tithe toward a charitable interest. It nourishes the transformative energy stores to tithe in addition to one's regular payment of government taxes.
Shani in 8 gives the greatest resistance to paying taxes. Shani in 8 also = reduced contributions of wealth into the joint assets of marriage and business partnership, from the partner, the spouse or the in-laws. The native with Shani-8 often does not see this cause-effect relationship, but it is the resistance to making somewhat unpredictable but cyclical payments at the time when these payments arise, which prevents the later enjoyment of sudden, uplifting infusions of capital from previously undetected (8) sources.
With Shani in 8, the life is long with very little financial help from others due to a core ignorance (Shani, not-knowing) about the ulterior spiritual purpose of taxes. Tax payments can be a vehicle of liberation but naturally that insight is not available to those with a strictly material understanding of reality.
Mithuna lagna and Karkata lagna also have a certain built-in karmic resistance to paying taxes, due to Shani = L-8 for these nativities. Neechcha Guru-Makara in 8 is often associated with an illegal or illicit expansion of the spouse's wealth due to some tax-resistance scheme, which scheme is likely to fail during periods of the L-8 Shani who re-imposes the human law.

Stock market

the great oceanic currents of what Jung called the collective unconscious, influence group expectations and group emotional reactions.
Stock market and other financial market fluctuations which have a regenerative or forced-change of identity, are a result of randhra bhava.
A person will do well in large-scale market investments when their 8th lord is well placed and aspected; when their 5th lord is well-placed and well-aspected; and, ideally, if these two lords enjoy parivartamsha. axes similarly are unpredictable from year to year, since they depend on fluctuations in the greater economy, actions of legislative bodies, and other group consciousness and subconscious reactivity.

Wealth of first spouse

2nd-from any house also indicates the "dhana" or wealth of that house. 2nd-from-7th profiles the wealth of the first spouse.

Similarly, 2nd-from-2nd Or sahaja bhava indicates wealth of the second spouse.
2nd-from-9th or karmaa bhava shows wealth of the third spouse.
Etc.

Difficulties in world travels

Long, global journeys are profiled in dharma bhava. As 12th-from-9th, Randhra bhava displays the dissolution of ego attachment, tendency to wander, under-the-table dealings, and other loss of connections with the healthy material world which are the characteristics of the 12th house.

If you are planning a long journey, particularly if it involves extended travel through foreign lands (but not permanent residence in those lands) be sure to evaluate the role of the 8th lord during the time period of your travels. Bhukti of the 8th lord in combination with a transit of the 8th lord through the 9th house, or transit of 8th lord to the position of the 9th lord, would be highly unfavorable indicators - particularly if the goal of your journey is material gain, such as a business trip.

If one's long journey is authentically spiritual pilgrimage, during which you are consciously soliciting experiences of detachment and ego-dissolution, one might discover some hidden spiritual benefits to such difficulties as one may encounter on one's travels.

In such a case where overtly spiritual objectives dominate the journey, a conscious person might willingly undertake T apasya(austerities) in order to burn off karma of past mistakes.

As always in Jyotisha, there is no inherently good or bad situation. The key to happiness is correct motivation.

Insurance

Ayur bhava rules all types of insurance and the modern insurance industry as a whole. Persons working in some aspect of the insurance business will have some prominent astrological connection to the eighth house through the professional houses 7 and 10.

Timing of matters connected to insurance will depend on the behavior of the 8th lord.

A natural benefic in the 8th house or the 8th lord well placed, indicates ease of access in drawing payments or services from insurance agencies, including the large government-funded public welfare programs such as socialized medicine, national unemployment insurance, old-age pensions, food grants, and education.

Maternal great grandfather and paternal great grandmother

mother's father's father [maternal great grandfather]

= 9th-from-9th-from-4th

= your randhra bhava, 8th house

father's father's mother [paternal great grandmother]

= 4th-from-9th-from-9th

= your randhra bhava, 8th house

Gain insight into their psychic influence upon you by understanding the mystical perceptions and healing powers you own through your randhra bhava. Generally these important relatives have left their bodies before or during our childhoods, but they continue to exercise guiding influence throughout our lives.

The Seen, the Inferred, and the Hidden

In Buddhism we speak of three types of phenomena: First, there are evident phenomena that are perceived directly.

Second, there are slightly hidden phenomena, which are not accessible to immediate perception. There are differences of opinion on this even within Buddhist philosophy. Generally speaking, we think this second type of phenomena can be known indirectly by inference.

One example of something known by inference is that anything arising in dependence upon causes and conditions is itself subject to disintegration and momentary change. This momentary change is not immediately evident to your senses. You can look at something with your eyes, and it does not appear to be changing right now, but by inference you can know that it is momentarily changing. This is an example of the second category of phenomena.

Third, there are very concealed phenomena, which cannot be known by either of the two preceding methods. They can be known only by relying upon testimony of someone such as the Buddha.

--from Consciousness at the Crossroads: Conversations with the Dalai Lama on Brain Science and Buddhism edited by Zara Houshmand, Robert B. Livingston, and B. Alan Wallace, published by Snow Lion Publications

Getting Control over Wild Thoughts

"Why is it that we don't succeed in enjoying the lasting happiness that we are seeking?

And why are we so often faced with suffering and misery instead?

Buddhism explains that our normal state of mind is such that our thoughts and emotions are wild and unruly, and since we lack the mental discipline needed to tame them, we are powerless to control them.

As a result, they control us.

And thoughts and emotions, in their turn, tend to be controlled by our negative impulses rather than our positive ones.

We need to reverse this cycle, so that our thoughts and emotions are freed from their subservience to negative impulses, and so we ourselves, as individuals, gain control of our own minds."

~~ H. H. Dalai Lama. (2003).

(Taxes)

When government-funded NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ball-point pens would not work in zero gravity.

To combat this problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300 C.

The Russians used a pencil.

The Twelve Solar Domains (Bhava, Sthana, Kshetra)
Tanu Bhava - House 1	Putra Bhava - House 5	Dharma Bhava - House 9
Dhana Bhava - House 2	Ari Bhava - House 6	Karma Bhava - House 10
Sahaja Bhava - House 3	Kalatra Bhava - House 7	Labha Bhava - House 11
Bandhu Bhava - House 4	Randhra Bhava - House 8	Vyaya Bhava - House 12

Mangala = success via Active Movement

" Shock and Awe"

No Shani (fixed Material Forms), No Cry

L-8 and Divorce

Special note on Harsha Yoga:

Joint Assets: The Time, Money, and Creative Energy Invested in Partnership

Transformation of Assets

Surprise and shock: money