If
Meena was radix
lagna, the event when the dharma found you would have remained part of your social life
(11) or your imaginative life (12), but it wouldn't have redefined all your
values, especially your sensitivity toward the "precious" quality
of certain lineages of knowledge (2).
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Were Kumbha = radix lagna, Chandra occupies 11th house of assemblies, creating a
Chandra-lagna of Dhanushya (Sagittarius) for religious teachings and
Purvashadha
for
"Victory" through being absorbed into a connection through psychic
attraction, like water is absorbed into a sponge.
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Chandra which shows your
psycho-emotional connection to a group of friends (students of the lamas). You
do likely feel at home within this group, although Budha being L-6 there is
plenty of conflict and dissent, jealousy perhaps or poverty or illness. Lots of
problems in the group.
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If lagna were
Meena, Chandra would make you famous with a
big house full of rich, interesting, multi-cultural company - more like a
national diplomat. And you'd feel comfortable in and attracted to elite
positions in corporations
or big government organizations, being visible to the whole hierarchy of
folk.
Therefore , my choice based on this reasoning = the 00:08 birth time =
Kumbha
radix lagna and Mithuna navamsha lagna.
Q:
How do we get started on the rectification process? I do have
a birth certificate, but the time seems to be wrong ...
A:
Thanks for your note. To get started on a rectification of birth time, we'll
need a list of your important life events, such as diplomas, marriages,
children, illness, accidents, inheritances, adventures, -- anything that was
significant or life-defining (so far in your life) for you, or for society.
Items of career and profession are also very important in identifying
"swamsha" -- the "soul's portion" -- which is the Nakshatra rising in the navamsha lagna. The reason that having your career/professional
info (in your life so far) is so helpful, is that the rashi on the 10th navamsha
is an accurate indicator of career.
Also each pada of the rising Nakshatra has its own identity. In the navamsha,
the rising pada (quarter of a Nakshatra = one quarter of 13 degrees 20 seconds).
Different authors have different viewpoints on the characterizes of the pada (I
have a few author comments posted on my website, and you can see how different
the viewpoints are based on author culture and personality). It makes a
difference whether the person is male or female, how the Nakshatra express in
the nativity...
So, I might have some narrowing-down questions to ask you as the
rectification proceeds. It will take several emails between us, most likely.
o get started, may I know:
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Birth date, place, and time from the Birth Certificate
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rectification opinions from any other astrologers you may have consulted.
Your career/professional duties thus far in life. Job titles are helpful, but
what is more important is how you see yourself in vocational terms, in the job.
For example, I used to work as a "help desk manager" in a big
science company. But I didn't see myself as a scientist or a computer techie.
I saw what I did as teaching, because I was helping people learn to use their
computers better (this was a long time ago, when PC's were new.)
I have Mithuna (Punarvasu Nakshatra ) in navamsha lagna, and Guru rules my
10th navamsha. So, I'm a teacher always -- but the job environment can be a
university, a corporation, a high-altitude base camp, a website, a kid's
playground, a big meeting ... almost anyplace.
It helps to know your job titles but even more important, how do you see your
service vocation (thus far in your life). That will help if there is a rashi
change within the two possible Nakshatra .
My experience with BC times is that they are most commonly
"late".The actual birth is often 1-10 minutes earlier, with approx 3-5 minutes
earlier than the stated time being very common indeed.
I imagine what happens is that, at least in a hospital birth, the nurses
are much more concerned with having a healthy baby than they are with
recording the child's first breath, and as a result the birth is recorded as
"completed" when the child has fully emerged and its vital signs are
approved.
- Please let me know the above info, and let's see if we can establish your
navamsha lagna for certain.
All the best, Barbara
Q:Dear Madam,
... I was born ... at 12:59 PM .... I would like to have a Jyotisha reading
by you but I also want to know the precise time of birth. I am following the
above time of birth . Please let me know if there is anyway of knowing whether
it is accurate. After determining its accuracy I can get a Jyotisha reading or
should I do it before? Please guide me..
A:
Namaste,
If the 12:59 PM, which you are currently using, is known from a certificate
of birth signed by the attending physician in a hospital, it is probably
correct.
If the birth time is recorded from someone's memory, a long time after the
birth happened, it might be incorrect.
The
one person who is the least reliable, in my experience, for providing
accurate birth times, is the Mother! Mothers often do not remember the child's
time correctly, and when shown a birth certificate from a hospital with a time
that contradicts mom's personal memory, the Mother may be very surprised about
how wrong their memory is! This odd state of affairs does makes sense given the
intensity and trauma of the birth experience, when the astral (no-time) and
physical planes are so intermixed.
Sometimes I find benefit in setting slightly
earlier a birth-certificate recorded time,
perhaps one minute or two minutes earlier, in case the navamsha lagna rashi
would shift by doing so, and only in response to known facts about the native's
profession.
For example
The
rashi on the 10th
navamsha is an
accurate indicator of profession. If
this indicator seems incorrect, e.g. if the person is a long-time schoolteacher
which would be Brihaspati, but indeed Kuja has become lord of the 10th navamsha,
which would suggest a military professional or an engineer, then sometimes -
only sometimes - shifting the birth forward one or two minutes can cause the
10th navamsha lord to match better with the adult profession.
However, I usually don't make adjustments to the birth-certificate stated
time. That is a lot of work which requires having a good amount of background
data on the person in question. Local village astrologer, who knows his clients'
life stories and character very personally, is in a much better position to make
corrections to the recorded birth time. However, usually they don't have to make
corrections, because they were present personally at the birth!
Rectifications are labor intensive and expensive. If you have a reliable
birth certificate time, I would recommend to use that time without further
challenge, unless (as in the example above) there is some major item that could
be pushed to a better match by making a very small time adjustment.
Wishing you success in your Jyotisha studies,
Barbara Pijan Lama, Jyotisha
www.barbarapijan.com
Q: In any large metropolis, several births are bound to occur at the same time and independently,
producing essentially the same horoscope. I appreciate that these lives will
have different life journeys ahead of them because of past karmic interactions.
However, if you as an astrologer, received two identical horoscopes as a result
of such simultaneous but independent births taking place at the same
geographical location, would your readings be identical, or is there some other
intuitive or spiritual ability that will enable you to distinguish them?
A:
One of the tools by which Jyotishi distinguish apparently identical
nativities is the shastyamsha (D-60)
. The D-60 lagna changes every
15 seconds. I've looked at Jyotisha nativities for numerous sets of twins, who
are typically born 1-5 minutes apart. There are
always significant variations between the nativities of each twin, present in at least one of the
vargas.
In practice, I look first for variations in the dwadashamsha
which reveal that each of the two twins have a different relationship
to their parents. Then I proceed through the more delicate varga
charts, looking for variation in vehicle behavior (D-16), spiritual
ambition (D-20), tendency toward accident and injury (D-30) and others
up to the D-60.
I understand your question, about it's being logically possible. I've never confronted two
absolutely identical births, with same time to the second and
exact same long+Lat.
Prima facie,
I would say that Jyotisha is not a good tool in the logically possible
setting of two children born at the same second, perhaps on two different floors
of the same hospital.
To
distinguish the nativities in this extraordinary situation, I would
recommend using another tool,
such as palm reading, to distinguish the paths of two humans born in extremely
close time-and-space settings.
Q:
Dear Barbara,I have a question regarding Navamsha. As
one's chart is linked with the spouse's Navamsha, is it
possible to use the spouse's Navamsha to do a birth time
rectification?
For example regarding my chart, the
possible time error is 20 minutes, so I hesitate between
two lagna lords of Navamsha, Virgo and Leo. My spouse's
Navamsha has Leo rising, and rashi chart with Virgo rising
and debilitated Mercury. Does it make sense to take Leo as
my Navamsha lord, as Sun is also debilitated in Navamsha,
or is it just to far fetched to do birth time
rectification using spouse's navamsha?
Thank you so much, a student
A:
It is a good question and an interesting one.
Rectifications are complex and many Jyotishi have their
own style of analysis in the rectification process.
I personally would say that your wife's navamsha can
be one piece of the puzzle, but it could not be the sole
determinant. As Suryanarian Rao (grandfather of BV Raman)
used to say to his grandson, "astrology is a science of
tendencies".
We are looking for several corroborating
matches which point in the same direction. So we will need
at least one other factor to feel confident in the choice
between Kanya or Simha lagna in D-9.
10th navamsha
I rely partly upon adult
career to set the navamsha lagna.
If the choice is between Kanya and Simha, that means the
career should have distinctive attributes of either Budha
(Mithuna on 10th navamsha) or Shukra (Vrishabha on 10th
navamsha).
Kanya navamsha folk
- are often involved in media publishing
and production (Mithuna) travel and tours, the training
style of teaching (short-term instruction, not diploma
courses but technical trainings), writing including
songwriting, radio-television and films, and every variety
of business administration including sales, advertising,
marketing, public relations, meetings, calendars,
planning, etc.
- They are businessfolk who often own their
business. If not they are generally well-liked managers (manos
= hands, Budha) in larger concerns. Look to the role of
Budha in radix to establish the type and success of
business.
Simha navamsha folk
- are often professionally involved in
luxuries, including food: wealth, banking, fashion
design, interior architecture, ornaments and articles for
women, perfumes, fine oils and wines, delicious edibles of
all kinds (Vrishabha = the cows and the fields) beautiful
song and musical instruments, matters of face such as
teeth, jaw, eyes, hair, and face; anything to do with the
accumulation and maintenance of luxurious values (Laxmi).
- They can also be academics charged with maintenance of
large knowledge collections (Saraswati) such as historical
libraries, musical recordings, and museum art collections.
- Shukra can be a custodian of wealth hoards without
necessarily owning the stash; sometimes the method of
ownership is educated ability to appreciate = put a price
upon valuable goods.
- Shukra lord of 10th navamsha = any
type of valuation and pricing, including even the academic
study of values which might not create a materially
wealthy person but one possessed of the wealth of
understanding.
Also check the role of radix L-10 within navamsha. If
Radix L-10 is well-disposed within the navamsha the career
goes well with respect and good satisfaction. Radix L-10
should occupy a kendra of the navamsha to give best social
results.
spouse's navamsha =
Navamsha Marriage
Regarding the relationship of the spouse's navamsha to
one's own, or in general to the relationship between the
nativities of married partners, here is what I usually
look for to "prove" the marriage.
- As a general rule, the rashi of the spouse's radix moon
should match one's own navamsha (1) 1-7 axis, or (2)
Rahu-Ketu axis, or (3) in rare cases, the woman's radix
moon rashi will match one pole of the axis of the man's
navamsha Shukra. (3) is a stretch of the principle and
frankly I do not see this very often.
- The reason I mention this matching of each partner's natal
Chandra rashi with the other partner's navamsha axes of
either D-9 lagna or D-9 nodes, is that in rectification
cases if the spouse's Chandra rashi does not match the
native's navamsha Rahu-Ketu axis, and the navamsha lagna
is unknown, then the rashi of the spouse's radix Chandra
is a likely match for the missing navamsha 1-7.
spouse's milestone events
Events in the spouse's life can be timed using one's
own navamsha.
- If there has been a notable event in the
spouse's life such as receiving university diploma, death
of the spouse's parent, significant illness or injury --
these should all be corroborated in the partner's
navamsha.
- For example, I recently saw a woman
whose husband's father died during her Shani
bhukti. In her navamsha, Shani in lord of 7th (death) from
9th (father) from navamsha-7 (spouse).
- If your wife's life
thus far has produced notable milestones, try to justify
those milestones using Simha lagna for yourself or Kanya;
one of these lagna usually will give a better result.
Hope the above is helpful. Rectification is quite
complex; try to collect as much corroborating evidence
as possible; and good luck!
Sincerely,
Barbara Pijan Lama, Jyotisha