Vimshottari Dasha timeline

Vimshottari Period Rulers

Thula Lagna

+ Thula Chandra

see also: Vimshottari Dasha - Challenging Angles " * Vimshottari Dasha - Final Bhukti



Gains and Goals

Surya = the karaka for Divine Self, soul, pride, confidence, royal entitlements, and awareness of Truth.

When Thula = radix lagna+ L-11 Surya controls the networks of gainful association.

Unless Professor Surya's teaching is subject to prolonged and repeating lessons, Ravi period = confidently gainful and well connected through networks of friends.

However Surya is an enemy of lagnesha Shukra, and furthermore Surya is an enemy of the natural regulator of labha who is Shani.

Therefore Surya Mahadasha is problematic

  • for self-contentedness and self-validation (portfolio of the lagnesha)

Surya period is overall constrained

  • by a need to participate rather anonymously in plebian activities (Shani) such as community work

  • when the basic instinct of regal Surya is to be in the center of attention.

During Surya Mahadasha, the Thula native rarely receives the amount and quality of attention that Surya requires.

  • Invalidation or marginalization by large groups,"lowest common denominator" public standards occurs especially during the Surya-Shani period when the Thula native will be oppressed by rules meant to contain the masses.

  • Surya-Shukra period is often challenging due to Shukra's lordship of the lagna (validating) but also of randhra bhava (ego destructive).

  • Much depends of course upon the mutual angles of Shani, Shukra, and Surya; their mutual relationship to lagna and Chandra lagna; and the Nakshatra of Chandra. (If the Ruler of Chandra's Nakshatra is friendly toward Surya, results may be emotionally rather easier.)

All things considered, the period is likely to be materially and socially gainful but at the price of personal integrity. If Surya is well-placed, the Thula native may expect to achieve important life goals during these six years, and to be positioned during the mahadasha for superior future earnings.


Surya periods for any lagna will attract strong-willed males; therefore it depends on Thula-1 's capacity for handling male behavior and especially that male's need to be the center of attention whether the six year period is happy or not. Ironically when Surya is strong e.g. in kendra or in Simha or Mesha, for the Shukra-ruled native who prefers a balanced and harmonious relationship rather than courtly service to a petty king, the answer is often 'not'. It may be easier for the Shukra ruled nativity which features a relatively weak Surya which represents much less flamboyant demands from kingly males.


  • Ruler of 12th-from-12th=loss of sanctuary, loss of privacy, loss of bed pleasures. Loss of reflective and imaginative practice. Loss of hospitalization, dissolution of imprisonment, loss of connection to distant lands, loss of clairsentience and dissolution of ability to communicate with spirit guides and ancestors. Dissolution of engagement with fantasies, vision quests, and prayer. Loss of sanctuary. Refugees may be called out of hiding. Artists and musicians lose studio time, perhaps the entire studio dissolves. A young child may lose their bed or bedroom. A nun may leave her convent to embark on missionary (11) work in the world. A yogi hermit may be called out of cave retreat.


  • Ruler of 11th-from-1st = gain of vitality and engagement of the social personality. Return of faith in personal creativity and increase in the number of interlocked friendships. Expansion of the social network based on shared vision for the future.. Gains of income, achievement of goals, increased recognition and mobility in the marketplace. Embarking on a new (1) programme of goal-setting (11) and expansion of marketplace connections which facilitate earnings (11).

If Surya is well-disposed,much gain can materialize. Both abstract, conceptual goals and practical, material life goals may certainly be realized.

The most tangible and immediate form of gain manifests as financial income. Depending on the planetary relationships, gain may arrive in the form of

salary (most common)

inheritance (if Surya = associated with L-8 Shukra; e.g., during the major period of L-8 Shukra + minor Professor Surya )

marriage or business alliance (if Surya = associated with Shukra karaka for partnership, or with L-7 Mangala = alliance)

additionally, look for graha associated with Ravi to provide other varieties of social and material gain.

  • Increase in vehicles, or in number or market value of properties or material enhancements to the residence = Ravi involved with L-4 Shani. Similarly, gains and goals achieved from L-4 = educational diploma, passing exam and receiving certifications.

  • Increase in number of children or in prosperity or connectedness of those children = Surya involved with (drishti, yuti, parivartamsha) the L-5 Shani or the L-9 Budha.

  • Ravi yuti Rahu or in association with Rahu = sudden and dramatic gains via culturally proscribed methods, often initiated in the Surya-Ravi period followed by a collapse or disconnection at the Surya-Ketu period. Benefits from an L-11 Ravi-Rahu sudden "great leap forward" gain will endure only if Rahu is also with a kendra lord.

Thula-1 is busy, socially recognized via community engagement and participation in social networks. One is honored for creativity and for providing a light of awareness. Thula-1 is typically an agent for some element of higher truth or brilliance, true faith or political vision, within the community of practice.

While engaged in large-group function, Thula-1 is busy promoting a future vision, creating opportunity for greater participation within large networks of shared belief. Whilst remaining egalitarian in style and attitude, Thula-1 becomes a principled and effective leader in the assembly.

If Professor Surya's teaching is super-strong and unimpeded, e.g. in Simha or Mesha with no drishti of Shukra or Shani, Thula-1 withdraws into royal privilege, but one's instructions to the multitudes benefit from the clarity of distance, and results are extremely good.

If Professor Surya's teaching is subject to prolonged and repeating lessons via correctional drishti, L-11 nevertheless bears influence upon a large network of people. But economic gainfulness may be negatively impacted.

Periods of Surya bring gains of income, expanded influence in the assembly, strength of ethical perspective and leadership through moral certainty. Community development, fundraising, business initiation, and large groups of associates gathered for mutual validation. Accomplishment of high goals and lifetime objectives.

  • Surya will also rule one houses vis--vis Chandra. Assess the angle to Surya's house, from Chandra lagna, for a fuller appreciation of the emotional impact of Surya periods.

  • The effect of Surya's periods will necessarily be influenced by the bhava-lordships of any graha sharing the bhava with Ravi.

  • Also, the angle between the current mahadasha-pati and Surya will be determinative. Graha in 6th-from-Surya are least fortunate.



Thula lagna is known as a "maker of leaders ".

Along with Kanya lagna, Thula lagna sets the bhava progression so that Thula-1 is predisposed to achieve leadership recognition in public life.

L-10 provides leadership responsibility and grants a respectable social reputation.

The downside is work and lots of it. Thula-1 's expertise is wanted socially and particularly if Chandra Mahadasha occurs in the more mature decades when Thula-1 has a bit of grey hair, the demand for one's governing and regulating abilities will be strong.

There is no lack of work during periods of the L-10 unless Professor Chandra's teaching is subject to prolonged and repeating lessons. Society (10) calls upon the Thula-1 to produce recognizable step-wise methods for social attainment and lawful institutional governance.

One must (karmic 'must') ensure an orderly environment for those who reside below one in the hierarchy, who have lower rank or status. L-10 raises the social dignity but financially and philosophically L-10 gives fairly static results.

as ruler of both 11th-from-12th and 12th-from-11th +

  • L-10 Chandra giveth and L-10 Chandra taketh away.


  • Ruler of 12th-from-11th=loss of earnings, loss of mobility within the marketplace network, loss of interest in pursuing additional goals and achievements. Leadership roles place Thula-1 in a bit of a lock. Attention to application of law and order (10) precludes free association (11) and focuses Thula-1 's attention"up" rather than"out". Acquisition of respectable titles and responsibilities but no measurable increase in financial income. One's time is consumed with maintaining governance and enforcing regulations. Loss of relationship to elder sibling, mentors, community organizations, lateral or distributive social or conceptual networks.


  • Ruler of 11th-from-12th = gain of earning power from research and reflective practice. Gains from the bridge between material and astral plane. Gains directed by spirit guides and ancestors. Increase in earnings from clairsentient perception, from clandestine or hidden sources of knowledge such as monasteries and sanctuaries. Gains from distant lands.

The highly fluctuating and impressionable Chandra provides direct, psycho- emotionally intuitive leadership instincts.

  • Much depends on Chandra's rashi lord (see examples below).

  • Chandra is very impressionable! Assessment of the Thula native's final career empowerment must consider His Nakshatra, His bhava, and incoming drishti to Soma.

  • Also the angle of Yogakaraka L-4+L-5 Shani toward Chandra will significantly shape the leadership potential.

In general, the Thula native provides a parental style of leadership:patriotic, home-loving, and nurturing.

The professional career is directed to provide security for others; in this service, one's own security is also achieved. Strongest themes are the essentials of Chandra's natural bhava-4: education, physical and economic security, and the perpetuation of cultural roots.

  • The effect of Chandra's periods will necessarily be influenced by the bhava-lordships of Any graha sharing Soma's bhava.

  • Also, the angle between the current mahadasha pati and Chandra will be determinative. Graha in 12th-from-Chandra are least fortunate.


Surya-ruled Moon:

  • UK-PM 1979-1990 "Path to Power" Margaret Thatcher = L-10 Magha Chandra in bhava-11 Simha. Although leading with a message of economic security and defense of the territory (even if the territory is in Argentine waters), Thatcher had a more masculine ethical"right"authority style (Magha). Administration driven by politics (Simha) but she provided a powerful matriarchal figure to the citizenry. Sources of leadership strength: first and foremost the economy (11).

Moon-ruled Moon

Satyagraha 1869-1948 Mahatma Mohandas Gandhi = L-10 Azlesa Chandra in bhava-10 Karkata. His Chandra Mahadasha 1904-1914, his age 34-44. Gandhi's charismatic leadership message with super-strong L-10 swakshetra Chandra in karma bhava yuti Rahu = "be like me, feel my feelings ".

  • Azlesa embroils and entwines a person with endless manipulation and intrigue, and so was Gandhi's career. The period 1904-1914 was Gandhi's famous leadership period struggling for the right of Exotics (Rahu) in South Africa, where his Satyagraha platform was established.

Budha-ruled Moon

Chandra Mahadasha would be her age 79-89. Franklin had a tremendous influence on several generations of American citizenry. She expressed in song what perhaps could never be expressed in law or policy - a basic human entitlement to freedom, justice, and love. Her leadership style was directed by her religious values and culture (Chandra in bhava-9 ) and characterized by the mother-gardener passion for life of Punarvasu Nakshatra . Shani and Shukra aspect bhava-10, keeping her message directed to women and honoring the working class.

Guru-ruled Moon

Shukra-ruled Moon

Pope John-Paul II= L-10 uttama Krittika Chandra in bhava-8, Vrishabha.

USA Pres-39 "Talking Peace" Jimmy Carter= L-10 Vishaka Chandra in bhava-1, Thula.

Chandra Mahadasha = 2008-2018, his age 83-93.

  • Main source of leadership strength is his social personality + core values from uttama Yogakaraka Shani, also in lagna with Chandra.

  • Career began in military (defense of homeland), then elected office (governor, president), then his strongest expression: providing homes (Habitat for Humanity) to the working poor, then patriotic (homeland values) support of democratic elections worldwide, in the belief that democratic governments are the most stable and secure.

  • An iconic, parental figure.Interestingly, not so successful as a president. Carter's presidential judgment was perceived as weak and too empathetic; criticized as 'controlled by his mother'.

Shani-ruled Moon

Charles Manson, murder-cult leader = L-10 Shravana Chandra in Maraka bhava-10 + exact yuti Rahu.

  • Extraordinary public charisma due to L-10 Chandra yuti Rahu. YET severely evil results, due to Ketu in bhava-10, giving dehumanization which destroys compassion. Manson preached a message of total physical, economic and emotional security for those who would follow him absolutely. Promoted himself as infallible parent.

According to Das,

If" The Ruler of the 10 is in 6 or the Ruler of the 10 is in 12, your spiritual path suffers somewhat in the periods of the 10th lord."


L-2+ L-7

Vital and competitive Kuja influences both the first (7) and second marriages (2), as well as much activity in the worlds of stored food, collected wealth, banked values and new (Kuja) business contracts.

If bhava-2 is favorable, periods of Kuja may unlock much wealth not only money but also a great legacy of languages and ancient knowledge. Periods of Kuja may initiate contracts.

  • Mangala will also rule two houses vis--vis Chandra. Assess the two houses, from Chandra lagna, for a fuller appreciation of the emotional impact of periods of Angarika.

  • The effect of periods of Mangala will necessarily be influenced by the bhava-lordships of any graha sharing the bhava with Mangala.

    Also, the angle between the current mahadasha pati and Mangala will be determinative. Graha in 12th-from-Mangalaare least fortunate.


    • Ruler of 12th-from-3rd=loss of commercial acumen, losses caused by writing.

      Ruler of 12th-from-8th=loss of shared monies, loss of spousal wealth, dissolution of hidden treasuries


    • Ruler of 11th-from-4th = gain of diploma, pass examination, gains based on schooling and property ownership. Gains of vehicles, income from working at home. Gain of security via deep roots in a fixed place. Gain from association with the mother.

    • Ruler of 11th-from-9th = income from universities, temples, reading of sacred scripture, philosophical discussion, performance of temple discourses, from knowledge of orthodox wisdom teachings. Gain from association with priests and from relationship to the father.

Natural and temporal Maraka Mangala is an empoweredkiller for Thula lagna.

  • Via Mesha -7, Kuja will kill via metal implements and engines; in battle and in pursuit of a prize or prey; via weapons of every type; due to fire outside and fever inside; liver disease and infections of the blood.

  • Via Vrischika -2, hidden and mysterious causes Of death; undiagnosed conditions; fatal systemic sepsis; diseases of the uterus and anus.

education -Property

  • Vrischika = 11th-from-4th + 5th-from-9th. Gain of fruitsfrom the basic formal cultural indoctrination (4) and from ownership of vehicles and properties. Good luck and intelligence in the more advanced philosophical education (9).

  • Mesha = 4th-from-4th + 11th-from-9th. Contracts and agreements energized, advising and consulting relationships are grounded in shared cultural values but also competitive according to the nature of Mangala. Increased vigor for sexual activity and property ownership in marriage. Gain of fruits from the more advanced philosophical education (9) main fruits are new relationships and agreements.

Marriage -Alliances

  • Vrischika = 8th-from-7th. Sudden and forced changes in the marriage contract creates a time of vigorous transformation in marriage and business partnerships.Mangala rules both 7th and 8th-from-7th for Thula lagna. Often one significant relationship will end and another one will suddenly emergefrom the karmic script.

    • Check for the character of Kuja's agency vis--vis Chandra. If Mangala is a dusthamsha lord from the Chandra lagna, a sudden upheaval in established agreementsmay be a difficult experience for Thula-1 . Mangala implies warrior-like action and a need to win the battle. If Mangala is an auspicious lord from Chandra lagna, Thula-1 benefits from a vigorous challenge which results in a change of alliance.

    Mesha = 7th. Contracts and agreements energized, advising and consulting relationships aregroundedin shared cultural values but competitive in nature. Competitive and dynamic negotiations establish mutual interests and result in new contractual agreements. It is quite likely to meet and form a relationship with a vigorous, vital, competitive, active person who is "new" to one's cast of dramatis personae. (Not really"new" of course but emerging from the subconscious script.)

  • Should Rahu occupy Vrischika rashi or Mesha rashi, or should Rahu join Mangala in a shared bhava, the above results for Thula lagna assigned to Mangala, may be duplicated and indeed much amplified during Rahu periods also.

Career -Leadership

  • Vrischika = 5th-from-10th. Good luck and intelligence in career matters; institutional promotion; raise in prestige and entitlements through creative or speculative means.

  • Mesha = 10th-from-10th. Yuvati bhava is a very important career house. bhava-7 signifies the underlying one-to-one relationships that create the structure of an institutional career. Contracts and agreements are energized, advising and consulting relationships aremade more respectable(presuming that Mangala is reasonably dignified) and new (Kuja the innovator)partnersenter the scene.

Mars will also rule two houses measured from Chandra lagna. Assess the role of the two houses from Chandra.


L-9+ L-12

Many interesting travels in foreign lands (12). Usually the travel occurs with a commercial or administrative agenda.


  • Ruler of 12th-from-10th=loss of regulatory, order-imposing leadership roles. Strong focus upon philosophical and religious discourse calls Thula-1 's energy away from high-visibility public roles in government and industry, toward the teaching and preaching roles of temple and university culture,

  • Ruler of 12th-from-lagna =loss of physical body vitality and body-based personality identity. Typically the loss of identity is a consequence of the loss of local social meanings associated with physical attributes. For example one may leave a land in which the shape or color of one's facial features is very significant, and travel to a land which does not recognize the importance of those features. with long-distance travelling or sojourns in foreign lands. The external losses have a positive effect of calling back Thula-1 's intention toward meditation and reflective practice.


  • Ruler of 11th-from- 2nd = gain of knowledge,from research, from long-term travel or from meditation retreat.

  • Ruler of 11th-from-11th = gain of goals and achievements. Dharma bhava is the ultimate achievement house. One may realize the highest goals of wisdom-acquisition and transmission empowerments. There may be an inflow of tremendous wealth if Budha is well disposed, but as always with the Dharmastana, this wealth is not intended for individual hoarding. The financial wealth will manifest for missionary purposes (11th) in order to bring"good news " to those who need to hear it. Money comes available for building of universities and temples.

  • Budha will also rule two houses vis--vis Chandra. Assess the two houses from Chandra lagna for a fuller appreciation of the emotional impact of Budha periods.

  • The effect of Budha's periods will necessarily be influenced by the bhava-lordships of any graha sharing the bhava with Budha.

Also, the angle between the current mahadasha pati and Budha will be determinative. Graha in 3rd-from-Budhaare least fortunate.

as ruler of 12th-from-1st, Budha drains away the physical identity, muscular power, and social validation of the fleshly appearance. Budha periods may indicate withdrawal from public life, physical awkwardness, and a deep interiority leading to articulation of meditative or fantasy insights. The collective unconscious seems uninterested in utilizing Thula-1 as a symbol and Thula-1 fades from public view.

  • Incumbent USA Pres-39 "Talking Peace" Jimmy Carterlost his 1980 bid for re-election to the presidency - normally a fairly easy election for a sitting president to win - during Ketu/Budha period. Carter's Budha is exceptionally strong because Budha achieves uttama L-12 status through a parivartamsha with Surya the temporal L-12.

  • In Mar-April 1930, Mohandas Gandhi undertook the Salt March. Shri Gandhi's visage did become legendary amongst the masses, but the Salt March (L-12, pilgrimage) also destroyed any chance Gandhi may have had (at the time) to gain validated leadership under the auspices of the British Raj.

    • Gandhi's Budha is powerfully positioned in Thula lagna yuti lagnesha Shukra and yuti L-2 Mangala (speech), therefore Gandhi's Budha periods did not damage his public visibility. Yet his actions during Budha periods rather specifically is subject to prolonged and repeating lessons his access to conservative, customary, approved-hierarchy leadership roles of the day.

Budha = L-9 from Thula lagna

Periods of L-9 signal more intensive engagement with the father, with grandchildren (5th from 5th); with ritualistic male-dominated environments, with university studies and professors, with priests and the temple, with sacred * worth-ship * worship and public liturgies, with global travel, and with the wisdom traditions of patriarchal culture.

On the negative side = Dharmasthana = 6th from 4th suggesting possible illness of the mother during period of L-9. 8th from 3rd suggesting sudden, unexpected changes to the administrative duties, the narrative mentality, or the sibling-cohort during period of L-9. Also, 12th from 10th suggesting a dissolution of the most visible public roles during period of L-9.

Budha = L-12 from Thula lagna

Periods of L-12 signal more intensive engagement with imagery of parallel lives , with dreams, symbols, prayer and meditation ; with sanctuary and cloistered environments, with research and private study, with enclosures such as hospitals, monasteries, camps and ashrama, with clairsentience, with ancestors and spirit guides, and with long sojourn in distant lands

Additional implications of this gentle dushthamsha lord = 12th-from-12th suggesting gains via network association in the sanctuary setting (such as friends from the school dormitory); 8th-from-5th pointing to unexpected changes for one's children + sudden shocks in political elections; and 6th-from-7th which often promotes the appearance of enemies of the marriage, including agents of the bedroom and the fantasy imagination.


L-3+ L-6

Overexpansion of Budha's natural behaviors:

  • inflated suspicions, accusations, conflicts and arguments (6)

  • illnesses of pregnancy; increased bloating, swelling, and digestive imbalance-seeking-a-remedy (6)

  • too much talking and excessive administration (3);

  • over-communicative mentality and over-busy daily habits (3)

  • too frequent short-term travel, too many meetings (including siblings, neighbors, non-work) (3)

  • increased daily transportation, more diverse work-commutes (including international junkets = Guru) (3)

Often a comically ridiculous yet frustrating period = one administrative SNAFU after the next, due to L-3 = L-6.

Every kind of mental-physical crankiness may arise.

Significant interpersonal conflict despite overall generosity in the environment. Everyone apparently has good intentions; yet, agreements alliances and contracts break down ( L-12th from 7). Marriage is delayed. Home-culture, vehicles, and shelter-space becomes unstable (L-12th from 4). Diploma from schooling is delayed.


  • IF -- Guru the notorious L-3 + L-6 should occupy bhava-8 or bhava-12, prediction = easier circumstances.

  • If the Ruler of the mahadushthamsha is born into 8 or 12 then a corrective Viparita Yoga Harsha Yoga will apply and most of the inconveniences will disappear. L-6 in 12 =dissolution of the conflicts into the realm of the imagination (12)

  • L-6 in 8 = conflicts processed very quickly (albeit somewhat abruptly) via sudden upheavals which eliminate the circumstances of animosity, conflict, or disease (L-6 in 8).

L-6 Guru = not in 6 or 8 = the whole bhukti = a big pain and the swabhukti is nearly insufferable.

However Guru will *eventually* produce some form of growth, expansion, increase, and wisdom-gain although He might require the length of the entire bhukti to produce this welcome result.


  • L-6 = 9th-from-10th yet L-3 = 6th-from-10th. In general, one has access to wisdom in the task of regulating, governing, officiating yet the administrative duties can multiply (Guru) to the point where the higher career functions are decimated.

  • Best advice for an adult worker during this period is to accept that numerous employee-servant issues as well as a wide range of administrative-communicative-messaging tasks are likely to consume the professional calendar. Support for professional advancement may be seen in favorable placement of L-10th navamsha and over age 50 the role of the Ruler of the 10th from Chandra becomes weightier. Check these items before issuing any career forecast.

Predictive note:

Outcome of any Guru bhukti depends very significantly upon the relative positions of the Mahadasha Pati and the Bhukti-pati. For example, L-6 Guru for the Thula lagna or for the Karkata lagna = always prone to blaming and lawsuits, but Guru is generally so philosophical and generous that inflated accusations and unfair legal settlements (12th from 7th) would rarely lead to imprisonment. However, should Guru be located in 12th (prison) from the mahadasha pati is it not impossible for a short imprisonment resulting from false charges (6) to develop.

Shani = a disciplined, practical, conservative, career-building asset to the nativity.

Yet the ever-wise and expansive Guru = a big troublemakerfor Thula lagna.

The normally auspicious Brihaspati unfortunately over-expands Budha's natural territory of business meetings, short travel,and conversational narrative (3). The agents of Brihaspati as L-3 (for Thula lagna and Makara lagna) tend to"make mountains out of molehills "as they exaggerate the importance of the daily mundane and confuse the petty world of business with the greater pursuit of philosophical truth.

Further, during His Vimshottari periods, L-6 Guru inflates the scope of accusation, litigation, distrust, exploitation, and exacerbates the natural tendency to developillness/conflicts (6). Guru tends to bring on the diseases of His rashi, as well as the diseases associated with reproduction and dietary patterns of eating to suppress conflict (anger absorption into body fat.)

for Thula lagna, regardless of the bhava of His residence, Brihaspati = an inherently adversarial agent who damages both physical health and mental health.

However, periods of Guru ALWAYS have an upside even in the worst cases. Brihaspati will expand the material karaka outcome of His bhava of residence; and He will also provide a continuous attitude of optimistic faith in the goodness of all Being, no matter the temporary manifestation of events.

Children (Guru)

Last but not least, Guru periods can produce children under nearly any material or mental circumstances. Whether the children are wanted just then is a secondary issue; whether the route is bio-child or grand-child or adoptee is also not Guru's concern; and whether Guru's optimistic faith can also put food on the table and a roof over one's head is also a tangential question.

For women, health problems during pregnancy, including complications due to weight gain (Guru) and conflicting medical (6) opinions or treatments, may be part of the picture. The primary blessing of Professor Guru is indeed children for a parent and students for a teacher.

Medicine and health (satkona)

Normally, an apple a day keeps the doctor away. Yet, during periods of L-6 Guru, the digestion may not tolerate fruit (Guru dislikes Shukra-sweet fruit). Guru brings multiples and often the Guru-period scene produces many doctors, with conflicting medicines and philosophies (Guru) who seem to distrust (6) each other.

Destabilization of Two Kendra

For Thula lagna, Guru siphons the resources of kendra-pillars = Home Habits (4) and Peer Agreements (7)

  • Dhanushya-3 = 12th from Makara-4

  • Meena-6 = 12th from Mesha-7

For all Chara rashi (cardinal signs) Guru rules the Apoklima bhava. Thus during Guru periods, the Chara lagna will suffer certain dissolving effects = Guru-driven destabilization.

  1. Mesha lagna (including Mesha-Chandra) = Guru drains 1 and 10 (pulling energy from the public validation)

  2. Karkata lagna (including Karkata-Chandra) = Guru drains 7 and 10 (pulling energy from the professional peerage)

  3. Thula lagna (including Thula-Chandra) = Guru drains 4 and 7 (pulling energy from alliance and spouse's career)

  4. Makara lagna (including Makara-Chandra) = Guru drains 1 and 4 (pulling energy from body and parents)

Ruler of 12th-from-4th = Guru can dissolve the Old Ways and Roots.

  • Expansion of busy, short-term traveling (3) suggests temporary loss of home-habits, school-study, license-diploma, vehicle, owned property,

    • temporary loss of citizenship or passport

    for Thula lagna or Makara lagna, periods of L-3 Guru = timing agent for loss of grounding roots and shelter

    • If Guru is well located the family house can be lost via profitable sale (Guru in a money house = 2, 5, 9 or 11)

    • If Guru is not well located then loss of domicile may occur under less fortunate circumstances.

    Losses may be desirable e.g. one may wish for a temporary loss of house + loss of roots in order to enjoy an international holiday vacation (3)

  • Losses may be undesirable if they are forced

Because L-4 Shani periods always follow L-3 Guru periods, the Thula native who loses roots during periods of L-3 will quickly regain stability of schooling, ownership, and other protections during the subsequent period of L-4 Shani.

Unless the bandhu-pathi is subject to prolonged and repeating lessons, Thula is never rootless for long.

Periods of Guru= disagreement, broken promises (6), exploitation, illness and debt. Guru L-6 bhukti signals the breakdown of contractual agreements, lawsuits, jail time, poverty, alienation, and medical troubles due to imbalance-seeking-a-remedy in internal body systems.

Agent of the distress

  • = father, grandfather, professor, guru, priest, religious authority, patronizing know-it-all personality (male).

  • Also generally trouble from doctrinaire "religious " physicians and overly optimistic medical treatments, stemming from good-willed confusion of the physical vs the philosophical.

  • The dysfunctional L-3/L-6 agency of Brihaspati invests far too much importance into repetitive, short-term thinking. Performance of priestly duties (Guru) may cause interpersonal conflict (6) or require elaborate explanations (3). Philosophical knowledge may channel into mere information, especially in context of apprentice-training activities (3); scriptural wisdom can become capsulated into sloganism if Wise Guru's breadth is subject to prolonged and repeating lessons via a constraining drishti from Professor Budha or Professor Shani.

  • The Guru-agent(s) may suffer from a constitutional confusion regarding Budha-temporary commercial mentality vs. Guru-eternal wisdom and higher truth.

For both men and women, reproductive organs (Guru) in particular may get out of balance, affecting the entire body's wellness.

Guru periods require close mental attention to the conditions of medical and social health.

If expectations are not inflated and Thula-1 is able to utilize religious teachings (Guru) for guidance (without becoming disillusioned or distracted by the false philosophers) then the difficulties will pass without trauma.

As L-3 Guru can bring temporary loss of licenses and diploma, but also good communication abilities and a special intelligence for language. Thula-1 may have more intensive encounters with language (Guru) during Guru periods due partly to increased frequency of travel to diverse places.

Shani to the Rescue

Luckily for Thula lagna natives, a Vimshottari bhukti of soberly intelligent Yogakaraka L-4+L-5 Shani always follows Guru bhukti. After an exhausting Guru Mahadasha, a reconstructive Shani Mahadasha will begin.

Therefore most of Guru's mischief can be expected to become corrected during the subsequent Shani period.

  • after an interruption of education during L-3 Guru period, one may easily return to school during L-4 Shani period.

  • after dietary excesses of L-6 Guru, one may easily recover a more balanced health through Shani's austerity and personal discipline.

  • After the over-confident, inflated-accusation break-ups of L-6 Guru, one may easily re-establish more gainful, pragmatic and respectable relationships during periods of L-4 + L-5 Shani 10th-from-7th and 11th-from-7th.

Read spiritual and emotional environment from Chandra lagna

  • Guru owns two houses vis--vis Chandra. Assess the two houses from Chandra lagna for a fuller appreciation of the emotional impact of periods of Brihaspati.

  • Effect of Guru's periods = influenced by the bhava-lordships of any graha sharing the bhava with Brihaspati.

  • During Guru periods, the pratya-antara-dasha of any graha residing in 6th-from-Guru * typically produces conditions of imbalance-seeking-a-remedy related to the karaka and bhava of the graha in 6th-from-Guru.

Marriage -Alliances

  • Dhanusha = 9th-from-7th. Periods of Guru may bring a burst of wisdom, good will, and possibly procreativity based in the marriage contract resulting in the birth of a child Or other act of great fortune

  • Meena = 12th-from-7th. Contracts and agreements between partners are dissolved. Guru dissipated the alliance-balance energy; illness and ill-will arise in social relationships. If a child is born, there may be significant disagreement regarding the child, how to rear the infant, etc.

  • Note: should Rahuoccupy Dhanusha or Meena rashi, or should Rahu join Guru in a shared bhava, the above results for Thula lagna assigned to Brihaspati, may be duplicated and indeed much amplified during Rahu periods also.

  • Customary Schooling

    Shelter, Home, Buildings




    License, Diploma, Examinations

    Habits and Rhythms of Life

    Property ownership

    boundaries, fences

for Thula lagna, Dhanusha = 12th-from-4th +7th-from-9th.

  • Dissolution of the basic formal cultural indoctrination and attachment to roots (4) due to Dhanusha's humanistic expansion - it is impossible to maintain Makara's parochialism during periods of traveling (L-3) wisdom-teacher Guru.

  • On the more difficult side, Guru periods also bring loss of grounding to personal vehicles and properties.

  • Guru forms peer relationships (7) with those who enjoy the more advanced philosophical education (9).Periods of Brihaspati eschew the locally educated, and welcome the globally educated. If Guru is strong Thula-1 may become a global educator (but Thula-1 would not be accepted as a local educator).

for Thula lagna, Meena = 3rd-from-4th + 10th-from-9th.

  • Guru supports educational publications and the commercial sale of properties and vehicles. Under Guru's auspice, dignified public position = accrue to Thula-1 based on one's more advanced philosophical education (9) .

Guru = L-3 from Thula lagna

Periods of L-3 signal more intensive engagement with the hands, arms, shoulders, and lungs; with siblings and cohort-team, with the family finances (2nd from 2nd); with commercial and administrative environments, with short-term travel (business and holiday), with talking, writing, publications, reports and announcements; with planning and schedules; and with mental activities overall.

On the negative side, during period of L-3 vikramasthana = 6th from 10th suggesting possible illnesses of the father's family . 8th from 8th promotes sudden, unexpected changes in hidden liaisons or marital in-laws. Also, 12th from 4th points to a dissolution of the established habits, perhaps a shift of living quarters or withdrawal from school .

Career -Professional Dignity - Leadership
  • From Thula lagna, Dhanushya = 6th-from-10th. as ruler of Sahaja bhava = corporate department, the work-team, and commercial communications, Guru periods bring animosity and conflict in career matters; workplace gossip leading to resistance to institutional promotion; failure to receive raise in prestige and entitlements due to jealousy or disagreement.

  • From Thula lagna, Meena = 9th-from-10th. Ripu bhava is strongly engaged in the professional experience = workplace conditions, the servants-employees, and the customers' problems (which one is paid to handle). Overall, 6 = the underlying tension in disproportionate human relationships due to exploitation and victim-mind. Guru brings sage wisdom about disproportions and flaws inherent in the human condition and a wise withdrawal from the making of new contracts and agreements.

While there is no direct career progress during Guru periods there is a savvy awareness that some people like to solve problems and move forward, while other people are quite ego-attached to their problems and try as one might, it will not be possible to pry away their attachment to their suffering! As Guru period ends and Shani begins, the chronic problems pass away, and career ascent resumes.


L-L-1+ L-8

Swabhukti of the lagnesha Shukra can be an extremely influential and significant period of the lifetime. For thula-1, a Jyotisha remedial Diamond may be worn during Shukra mahadasha.

Alternatively, the even more powerful offering of Seva will be highly effective. For the entire twenty years of the Shukra Mahadasha, Seva should be offered on behalf of those who need help with contracts, agreements, alliances, diplomacy, embassies and marriage-matching, bargaining, as well as architectural decoration and design.

Seva for Shukra includes assistance in pair-making, equity-yoking, balancing of all types, including the medical and emotional balancing of of two-part fleshly organs such as eyes, ears, lungs, kidneys; and paired limbs such as hands-feet-arms-legs.

Sweet and sensual Shukra = a mixed blessing, very similar to the role of Kuja for Mesha lagna.

Periods of Shukra for the Thula lagna:


  • Ruler of 12th-from-2nd=loss of hoarded wealth; loss of language; loss of knowledge; loss of face, teeth, voice, hair. Loss of family identity and history. May be rejected or disdained by the family history. Loss of the second marriage. Loss of accumulated, collected, recorded items. Loss of things in storage. Loss of appetite -cannot eat much. Hair falls out.

  • Native may be living or traveling in a place where one does not understand the local languages; verbal fluency is reduced and powers of memory and story-telling from memory may dwindle. No savings or storage of valuable items during this period. Even electronically recorded images and texts may dissolve during this period of the loss of recorded knowledge.

  • Ruler of 12th-from-9th =loss of religious orthodoxy and emphasis on secret or esoteric traditions (8). Dissolution of visible relationship to priests, or conducting private secluded relationship to priests. Dissolution of relationship to the father, the university, temple culture, philosophical and religious inquiry. Fascination with magic and healing.


  • Ruler of 11th-from- 3rd = gain of writing composition. Increase in the power of written expression, ability to communicate in any medium, using hand tools such as pens, brushes, scissors, needles; gain of commercial acumen, secretarial skills, team-work in corporate departments, attending meetings and maintaining calendars.

  • Ruler of 11th-from-10th = gain of status in social hierarchies. Via esoteric or confidential knowledge (8) one may obtain coveted positions and titles. Although the family historyis not supportive (see 12th-from-2nd, above) one's social dignity in public will rise. Increased ability to create an orderly environment for those in one's downstream may result in career promotion, or invitation to join a higher rank, elite club, gain a more elevated place.

as ruler of bhava-1, Shukra validates the physical body and social personality. Thula-1 is praised for attractiveness, balance, and pleasing character. Social relationships are easier to start and sustain. Interactions with women, both personal and professional, tend to be mutually validating on the basis of shared beauty and grace.

as ruler of bhava-8, Shukra reveals hidden knowledge, suddenly brought to light. Good results from therapies or surgeries intended to beautify and improve love relationships, and partnership balance in general. Good results from acquisition of privileged information about the psychology of human relationships. However+ L-8 = 2nd-from-7th lord, and typically Shukra may bring a sudden end to marriage or the

Periods of spousal marana-karaka Shukra may bring the death of the first mate. However, numerous conditional factors must all coordinate to bring about such a dramatic event. Normally, there is some tangible event which threatens the life-force but the full conditions for physical death are rarely satisfied .

For males, death of wife is typically experienced during periods of 2nd from Shukra, and for females death of the first husband is actually more common during periods of 2nd from Guru.

More likely, periods of Shukra bring Thula-1 into direct contact with the circumstances of death - without however causing death itself. Hidden information, especially regarding personal identity and the primary partner, comes into the field of awareness. Sometimes the hidden intentions, once revealed, necessitate the end of the partnership. Thula-1 's charismatic attractiveness increases; one receives validation for the appearance its life-force.

  • Shukra will also rule two houses vis--vis Chandra. Assess the two houses from Chandra lagna for a fuller appreciation of the emotional impact of Shukra periods.

  • Effect of Shukra's periods will necessarily be influenced by the bhava-lordships of any graha sharing the bhava with Shukra.

During Shukra periods, the pratya-antara-dasha of any graha residing in 4th-from-Shukra= typically stressful conditions brought on by a tension between the primary peer union vs. pressure of home duties, and related to the karaka and bhava of the graha in 4th-from-Shukra.

As L-8 from Thula-1
As L-8 from Thula-1

L-8 = not the physical event of death = not the final cessation of vitality.

Randhra-pati L-8 deploys a rapid and often disturbing eruption of unexpected force which induces the death of a previous identity and the rebirth into a new identity.

It is only a change of form.

Periods of L-8 signal more intensive engagement with mysteries, unknown forces, discoveries, revelation, rejuvenation, renovation, rebirth, resurgence, revolution, eruption, emergency. Agents of L-8 include surgeons, therapists, drillers, tunnelers, dynamiters, explorers of the unknown, secret-keepers and tantriki, facilitators of radical identity change.

On the negative side, randhrasthana = 6th from 3rd suggesting possible conflict or illness the administrative duties, the narrative mentality, or the sibling-cohort during period of L-8. 8th from 1st = sudden, unexpected changes to the physical body. Also, 12th from 9th = dissolution of the public * worth-ship * worship and disinterest in priestly dogma.


  • L-4 + L-5 from Thula-1

Pragmatic and conventional Shani = Yogakaraka due to His governance of bhava-4 foundations (shelter, schooling, license-diploma) and bhava-5 intelligence (genius, children, celebrity, light).

Shanaicarya provides a somewhat legalistic, common-sense view of the rhythmic, habitual customs of one's own people (4) and the fashionable, glittering, creative worlds of royalty, celebrity, theatre, and politics (5).

During Shani periods, the pratya-antara-dasha of any graha residing in 6th-from-Shani * typically produces conditions of imbalance-seeking-a-remedy , often adversarial, related to the karaka and bhava of the graha in 6th-from-Shani.

Pragmatic and conventional Shani

Confers prestige through conventional ascent of a hierarchy. Native prospers in priesthood/professorship and conventional group leadership. Success in government, commerce, military, and education. Excellent sense of balance and restraint; cultivates relationships steadily.

Periods of Shani = additional skill-based education regardless of one 's age (education is usually formalized but may be apprenticeship). Also Shani brings children for Thula lagna, formalization and structured development of the creative intelligence, publications, cultural recognition of personal genius, and possible purchase of land or vehicle.

Shani fixes problems caused by Guru:

  • If L-3 Shani dissolves the Roots+ L-4 Shani comes next and reestablishes any lost grounding.

  • Thula native may have to abandon studies during periods of L-3 but can resume them quickly during L-3.

  • Should the L-6 Guru cause a vehicular accident causing loss of vehicle+ L-4+L-5 Shani comes next to restore the vehicle because Shani L-4 brings seats (foundations) including moving seats e.g. vehicle and as L-5 Shani = 12th-from-6 = dissolution of the poverty or injury caused by the L-6.

  • In general whatever problems L-3+L-6 Guru will cause (and there are many) the L-4+L-5 Shani will promptly repair

  • Shani will also rule two houses vis--vis Chandra. Assess the two houses from Chandra lagna for a fuller appreciation of the psycho-emotional impact of Shani periods.

  • The effect of Shani's periods will necessarily be influenced by the bhava-lordships of any graha sharing the bhava with Shanaicarya.

  • Also, the angle between the current mahadasha pati and Shani will be determinative. Graha in 6th-from-Shani= least fortunate.

Vimshottari periods of Rahu

Rahu Amplifies and magnifies the karaka effects of Rahu's ruler and the bhava owned by Rahu's ruler .

Good for any task which requires ambition, passion for entitlement, leaping up, skipping steps, self-promotion, desire, loop-holes, illicit actions, taboo-breaking, class-mixing, adventure.

  • Also, the angle between the current mahadasha pati and Rahu will significantly influence the outcome of the period.

  • Graha in 6th-from-Rahu = strongest instrumental, expedient use of illicit or unbalanced associations for self-promotion. Good for ministries of service to those in a lower class from oneself.

Vimshottari periods of Ketu

Ketu Scatters attachments, pulverizes barriers, disperses focus, induces wandering.

Good for any task which requires dispersion, scattering, tails and tailings, wandering, abandonment, splitting, detachment.

Emphasizes the karaka effects of Ketu's lord and the bhava owned by Ketu's lord.

  • Also, the angle between the current mahadasha pati and Ketu will significantly influence the outcome of the period.

  • Graha in 12th-from- Ketu = strongest scattering of material focus. Good for meditation and clairsentient perceptions.

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