Q: I'm trying to learn as much as I can from your website, and its helping me a lot. I find astrology very very interesting and can see that it is almost purely ''scientific.'' Intuition, however, as you also mention is also very important....

Like this one: What if two graha are located in the same house, where one is exalted and the other debilitated?

E.g. I have a friend (Leo lagna) who has both Jupiter and Mars in his 12th (Cancer) house. So, does the ''goodness" of an exalted guru, cancel the "badness" of the neecha Mars? How does one analyse this?

Your insight will be very much appreciated.

A: Namaste,

B.V. Raman opines in A Catechism of Astrology. p. 45:

• "Q. 53 What is the result if a debilitated and an exalted planet are in one house ?
• Ans. There will be neutralisation of effects, when two such planets combine in one house.
• If the exalted planet is stronger by proportion, the effect of the exalted planet will prevail."

IMO:

E.g. a frequent uchcha-neechcha pair = Shukra + Budha = Kanya rashi.

• Characteristic of the uchchamsha Budha, such a personality will be remarkably intelligent, analytical, articulate, and mentally organized.
• But also, one will have trouble from 'fallen' women; disappointed expectations in contractual agreements and partnership; argumentativeness and trouble to locate a point of mutual interest; along with a general lack of harmony in relationships.
• For a female, low self-esteem in her own mind
• for a male, a sad attraction to women who suffer from low self-esteem - usually problems with the wife and her female friends also.

Which effect will be stronger, leading to a definitive characterization of the bhava?

Consider which of the two graha, one uchcha and one neechcha, are closer to their own respective ultimate degree of uchcha/neechcha.

• For Budha the peak uchcha degree is 04-Kanya;
• for Shukra the neechcha nadir degree = 27-Kanya.

Consider behavioral traits of the graha in their respective rashi

• in this pair distinctively, Budha has an advantage unique to Budha, which is that Budha's mulatrikona is also Budha's swakshetra.
• Budha gains very considerable strength in Kanya whereas Shukra loses not too much.
• Shukra in Budha's other rashi Mithuna is fairly happy and definitely enjoys the social art of coupling (Mithuna).
• So as always, sensible judgment is required.

Similar judgments can be made for other neechcha-uchcha pairs:

• Surya/Shani in Mesha
  • Examples = USA Pres-18 U.S. Grant; Uma Thurman; Melania Trump; Pete Rose baseball scandal
• Guru/Kuja in Karkata
  • Examples = Shri Aurobindo]; Asif Ali Zarda [Bhutto]; NYC-Mayor Rudy Giulani; USA Pres-33 Harry Truman
• Kuja/Guru in Makara
  • Examples = Sheryl Crow singer; Gen-Pres FranceCharles de Gaulle; St. Josemaria Escriva; Hugh Hefner; UK Queen Elizabeth II )
• Shukra/Budha in Meena
  • Examples = Mariah Cary singer; Judy Collins singer; Michelle Pfeiffer actress; Professor Albert Einstein; USA Pres-18 US Grant; Elena Kagan USA supreme court justice; Ethel Kennedy philanthropist; Pete Rose baseball scandal

Please remember that neechcha-uchcha pairs do not cancel each others' advantages or handicaps. Neechcha-uchcha pairs create a particular yoga which results in a complex personality.

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Q: In my friends case, Guru is at 4 degrees, and Mangal at 18 degrees. so Mars is stronger by virtue of being higher by degree. So the general effects will be a Stronger (Fallen) Mars in Cancer. (?)

A: Namaste,

• Yes, I agree, general effect stronger for the graha of the higher degree and also the graha which is closer to its peak uchcha or nadir neechcha.

• The neechcha Kuja is passive-aggressive rather than direct in action. Neechcha Kuja is a guilt-machine. In Karkata, the normally heroic and direct-action Mangala becomes manipulative and a bit sneaky, similar to an Azlesa Chandra. If the neechcha Kuja is also in Azlesa, 16:40 Karkata to 00:00 Simha, the invasive behaviors of "squeezing, sneaky, slithering" and even "strangling" can be scary!

• The neechcha Kuja native manipulates by guilt rather than direct negotiation. Gives an awful Kuja dosha from bhava-4. Pushya Guru might have the effect of religious self-justification for this insidious behavior since the uchcha Guru in Pushya likes self-righteous demonstrations of piety.

• Good combination for one who works in medical specialty of "physical therapy", those who do "interventions" for drug/alcohol addicts, certain types of espionage that require building interpersonal relationships with informants, military "stealth", and other profession where invasiveness, guilt, manipulativeness in a "privacy" context (12) are positive assets.

• Trouble for both national-indoctrination levels of education (4) and the higher, temple levels of knowledge (9). Trouble for both parents, Yogakaraka L-4+L-9 = neechcha in vyaya bhava. Trouble through unrest in a foreign land.

• Yet, potential for moksha is very high with a strong papa-graha in dushthamsha! L-8 Guru in 12 with the neechcha Kuja suggests death by drowning.

Sincerely, Barbara

Q: Hi Barbara,

I' ve just read your article on your website, ' Shukra Checklist for easy partnerships' ' . In it you mention the effects of Shukra ' YUTI' ' ketu . My question is, do these ' yuti' ' effects also apply if Ketu is located in any of Shukra' s houses (Taurus, Libra).

Or, indeed, do Graha give ' yuti' ' effects if they are located in particular houses (eg Mars in Cancer, will it give effects of Mars yuti Moon, because it is in the house of Chandra?)

A:Namaste,

• Yes I think you're correct, there is a subtle Ketu-yuti effect upon Shukra when Ketu occupies Thula or Vrishabha rashi. It is not the distancing and ambivalence toward the female spouse and toward marriage partnerships in general such as we see when Ketu shares Shukra's house, but rather a general detachment from wealth and sensual pleasures (Vrishabha) and from the joys of equity and partnership (Thula) which Shukra brings into the life. When Shukra's functions are reduced by Ketu's presence on one of Shukra's houses, Shukra's power to manifest a wife who is pleasuring and invested in the partnership will be reduced. Similar effects for business partnerships in re: the partner's engagement in building wealth (Vrishabha) and keeping the promises invested in the agreement (Thula).

• Also you're correct IMO about the understanding that Kuja in Karkata rashi has attributes of Chandra-Mangala yoga. When Kuja is with Soma in the same house, the native is active and ambitious (Kuja) to develop emotional security (Chandra) through material wealth, thus Chandra-Mangala yoga can be a big money-maker if occurring in houses 1, 2, 5, 9, or 11.

• The neechcha Kuja is emotionally disturbed due to volatile parenting (typically neechcha Kuja is raised by someone other than the natural parents). the native typically = quite passive-aggressive in one's methods of trying to achieve emotional attention.

• Acquisition of material wealth (frequently through surreptitious or fraudulent means) is a goal of the neechcha Kuja who feels wronged, and wants to compensate by taking the wealth of others. They are "sponges" who absorb the product of others' work.

• The Chandra-Mangala yoga native is also emotionally volatile, but if the yoga occurs in a dhana house then despite their emotional volatility the wealth will be generated and the native may have a good career due to their personal productivity. The spouse may find such a native difficult to live with at times, but the spouse can also appreciate the engine of productivity and the fruits of profit that this engine can create.

• The same thing is generally true of neechcha Mangala in a money house, esp. in bhava-11: there can be spectacular wealth development due to the native 's intense psychological drive toward security and belongingness, which is commonly (if falsely) believed to be provided by owning properties and storing money. Unfortunately the neechcha Kuja's wealth if it does occur may be acquired through parasitic dependence on others, deceptive manipulations, or theft.

• It is quite reasonable to continue the logic of association between the characteristics of a graha as posited in a rashi, as being similar to the characteristics of that graha when the graha is a co-tenant with the lord of that rashi. E.g., it is good for conceptual learning in Jyotisha studies to consider that Guru in Kumbha is quite similar to Guru + Shani when Shani has the higher degree. Guru's natural abundant expansion will be curbed and limited by fearful, law-abiding Shani; and Guru will need to seek the most conservative, socially approved channels of expression for obtainment of religious and philosophical wisdom.

Hope this viewpoint is helpful. All the best, Barbara Pijan Lama, Jyotisha

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