Aum som somaya namah
"Man is what he thinks all day long."
~~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
BPHS Chandra Mahadasha
Spouse see partner for native with Chandra-8
Somana * Chandra * Krishnaya
Ayur * Randhra Bhava-8
Moon occupies the 8th house
comforted by crisis
healer * destroyer
familiar (Chandra) to the hidden forces (8)
reactive rhythms * emergency response * "nightmares"
emotional sensitivity to hidden, veiled needs * confidential needs
comfortably settled, nested, habituated to familiar rhythms of sudden upheaval, discovery, confidences, hidden assets, emergency, disaster, identity change.
Secrets of the Mother.
|Chandra Mahadasha and Chandra bhukti|| Chandra periods as well as periods of Chandra's ruler may generate emotional experiences characterized by Chandra's temporal bhava-8. |
The steady, rhythmic, ritualized, repeating-cycle of feelings = centered in an emotional need to engage with hidden wealth or knowledge on the expectation that controlling hidden social or material resources will result in enhanced emotional control over mysterious, unseen threats to security.
One may feel buffeted by the waves of the needs of others, and called to care for those who might not respond to one's offering of nourishment and shelter. One may seek to establish emotional caretaking relationships with those who are experiencing sudden changes of identity, so that that object of nurturing affection feels like "a moving target".
Chandra periods express the script of Chandra's bhava. Overall Chandra strives to generate a placid and secure environment. Yet there may be an underlying narrative of emotional urgency to respond (Chandra) to unseen forces. One may feel compelled to react to the hidden agencies which one senses are just below the surface and ready to erupt. The bhava ruled by Chandra anchors the type of social activity and the material outcome.
The child with Chandra-8 may become hypersensitive to the presence of unseen threats and dangerous hidden forces.
Chandra-Mesha * competitive, pioneering, forward-moving emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure
Chandra-Vrishabha * treasury-hoarding, history-remembering, sensual-pleasuring emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure * uttama * mulatrikona 4-30
Chandra-Mithuna * communicative, reporting, messaging emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure
Chandra-Karkata * parental, sheltering, patriotic emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure
Chandra-Simha * royal, celebrity, self-reflexive emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure
Chandra-Kanya * service-oriented, logically argumentative, conflicted emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure
Chandra-Thula * negotiating, agreement-seeking, diplomatic emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure
Chandra-Dhanushya * doctrinal, theoretical, patronizing emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure
Chandra-Makara * orderly, dignified, regulatory emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure
Chandra-Kumbha * populist, economic, community-networking emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure
Chandra-Meena * charitable, visionary, spiritually-guiding emotional sensitivity expressed through an identity-transforming, camouflaged, secretive figure
Profound need for secrecy and hidden identities.
Emotional instinct to nurture confidences and bonds formed by hidden matters.
Chandra-8 may "secretize" and "mystify" experiences, information, and relationships which others may perceive as neither mysterious nor secret.
Yet Chandra-8 is often trapped in the 'wounded healer' psychology, constantly recycling old traumatic injuries (8) and revisiting the suffering of the past (Chandra).
Bhava-8 = Sudden, mysterious, unexpected movement
Emotionally attached to the partner's family (2nd from 7th)
Native is emotionally oriented toward secrecy, and may be a compulsive keeper of secrets.
Sudden, forced changes in the mother's life conditions.
Secret sexual and emotional relationships.
Needs to keep one's emotional life hidden.
When highly evolved, an exceptional tantric healer.
Due to overstimulation of Mangala. Chandra-8 = constantly renovating the emotional foundations.
Ever moving toward a new identity.
In pursuit of self-redefinition, Chandra-8 may embark on several iterations of the quest for Self. One may obtain numerous diplomas, certificates of specialty training, professional careers, marriages. Homes (Chandra) are bought and sold as one moves restlessly from one region to another.
Reactive Emotion: Crisis Intervention "Butting In"
Emotionally, Chandra-8 feels rhythmically comfortable when reacting to emotional crisis. If no crisis exists naturally, in order to feel more comfortable, Chandra-8 may search for opportunity to provoke an urgent need to intervene. Chandra-8 may seek emotional validation by manipulating the environment to stimulate an emergency situation. Chandra-8 feels uncomfortable when the environment is too placid.
Chandra-8 is a natural agent of emotional drilling, plunging, plumbing, pursuing, excavation, discovery, recovery, uncovering, exploring.
Thus a splendid placement for psychotherapists, criminal detectives, and nosy people in all walks of life. Superbly calming and protective personality in *authentic* emergencies.
Very dynamic, urgent, energized "reactive intervention" behaviors when Chandra occupies a nakshatra of Mangala = Mrigashirsha, Chitra or Dhaniztha . Habituated to upheavals.
Comforter in Death Environments
Comfortable, calm, and at ease in environments which signify the Conditions of Death. Habitually protective and soothing in moments that produce emotional extremes of sudden upheaval, such as agonizing fear and terrible grief.
For Chandra-8, the more terrible, the better. Thus a splendid placement for anyone in the death-facilitator's role such as triage nurse, battlefield medic, palliative caregiver, funeral specialist, extreme unction priest delivering rites (Chandra) of death.
Chandra-8 are the "crisis junkies" of modern business culture and the "intervention" enthusiasts in social work specialties and healing professions.
When Chandra-8 finds a publically approved therapeutic expression for their natural need for emergency intervention, their ability to "sense unseen needs" and to provide calm comforting protective shelter to those in radical transition can be greatly rewarded.
Outside of the intensive sudden-response realm however, others may find Chandra-8 emotional style to be nosy, intrusive, melodramatically reactive, or even threatening.
Chandra-8 may not be able to detect conventional psychic identity boundaries of others because their own boundaries are so fluid and move so suddenly. Thus Chandra-8 may acquire the reputation of a meddler, an agent of interference and disturbance, or an over-reactive member of the neighborhood, family, corporation, sahangha, or team.
Much of human self-concept derives not from others' opinions but rather from one's own feeling about oneself. The inner voice may speak in a language of emotional truth that reinforces the self-image in a way that is internally consistent and not defined by others.
In Jyotisha, it is understood that Chandra establishes this profoundly foundational sense of intuitive self-identity; and part of the character of Soma's non-rational inner voice is determined by the bhava in which Soma resides.
Chandra-8 = a hidden, occult, masked emotional placement. One may serve as a protective, sustaining figure in 8th-angle identity-transforming locations such as surgical operating rooms, confidential information files, tantric training grounds, disaster sites, hidden vaults, secret caches, gender-changing environments and extramarital affairs.
Chandra's karaka roles as caretaker, nurturer, parent and provider of shelter are often cherished in secret. However, bhava-8 like all of the moksha-bhava = a releasing place not a retaining place. The public rarely sees the occult identity of one's 8th bhava.
The public - including one's own family, friends, co-workers, fellow religious congregants and citizens - are much more likely to recognize the features of one's kama, artha, and dharma bhava.
In the deepest recesses of the hidden identity, Chandra-8 may think of oneself as a dedicated parent, steady and reliable family provider, a guardian of lands and protector of the weak... yet others may find this self-image thickly masked.
In the emotional core, one identifies as an emotionally sensitive person who sympathetically acts to protect and shelter others. Chandra-8 may feel surprised that others do not understand their sensitivity. In fact, due to its emotional tendency toward sudden impulsive intervention and emergency reactivity (8), Chandra-8 can be perceived as insensitive, secretive, and controlling. Hurt feelings and confusion may accompany the gap between the interior view and public definition.
For the purposes of the present incarnation, the sources of emotional well-being (8) have been arranged in a state of disagreement (6) with the sources of physical well-being (1 = 6th-from-8th).
Further, the the sources of emotional well-being (8) have been designed to promote sudden, transformative changes (8) in the sources of mental well-being (3 = 8th-from-8th).
Thus Chandra-8 is distinguished by a nearly constant emotional cycle of psycho-emotional self-destruction and rebirth.
In childhood, the mother is prone to emotional outbursts (8).
Throughout adulthood, the rhythmic patterns of life (Chandra) often include events of violent shock and upheaval which profoundly affect not only the emotional state but also radically impact the physical life-force (typically, a vigorous but shortened lifespan) .
If the higher consciousness is developed in this lifetime, a preternatural intuitive awareness of impending disaster may often protect (Chandra) the lifestyle and livelihoods of human settlements (4, Chandra).
Chandra-8 may appear to be emotionally unstable, yet the placement is deeply creative as the native has access to rich stores of occult (8) intuition (Chandra).
As always with the super-impressionable Professor Chandra , the outcome must factor in the character of the dispositor of randhra-sthana.
Emotionally most comfortable in environments such as:
Perhaps a noticeable gap between public facade and private activities.
In a hidden environment, Chandra-8 may engage with frightening or forbidden conditions.
Life provides a habitual pattern of frequent upheaval, contact with the conditions of death and rebirth;
many changes of life conditions followed by periods of rejuvenation and recovery from shock
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Strong emotional attachment to secret relationships and hidden wealth. Emotional need for mystery, healing and transformation.
Matter's of Chandra's house are subject to sudden upheaval and destructive change.
For Simha and Kumbha lagna Soma-randhrasthana = a boost up.
Special benefits for "disease destroyer" Soma-8 for Kumbha lagna (e.g., Deepak Chopra) where major obstacles from Aristhana, such as enemies, conflicts, debts, and disease, are intuitively destroyed.
Parents * particularly the Mother
The identity of one's parents - esp the mother - may be kept secret. Chandra-8 = a common placement in the nativities of children who were adopted with sealed documents or no documents at all. Also a common placement for persons living with an occluded identity.
The hidden identity of the birth parents is an important part of the native 's development plan.
Interestingly, even when the identity of one's parents is revealed to oneself or others may also know, it is possible for the native 's own tantrik reasons that one makes an effort to prevent public discovery of these facts.
Mother has a volatile, changing identity marked by perhaps several marriages or confidential relationships. Perhaps one of the marriages is not disclosed to the public. Typically the child is viscerally aware of the mother's mysterious doings. The child may sense that the mother undergoes cyclic eruptions of emotional energy - sometimes very intensely nurturing and sometimes unavailable. Child may perceive the mother to be a creature of sudden and unexpected changes.
The main trouble with Chandra in randhra bhava is that one ABSORBS the shocks of life's sudden, forced changes into oneself. One feels considerable emotional pressure to maintain a veil of mystery around one's hoard of confidential knowledge. This becomes a problem when the secret knowledge needs to be released, or when the ethics of the situation demand honesty and full disclosure.
Transformation can be gentle or violent, according to the consciousness of the nativity overall. This native craves deep and profound change.
Soma in Bhava-8 may produce profound healers who can move an individual or small group from one life stage into the next, e.g. death healers. Natural transformers of thoughts, landscapes, and identities..
Some attraction to sorcery. Intuitive awareness of the cycles of re-in-carn-ation. Personal life always tumultuous because the Moon wants emotional stability and these natives are marked as agents of profound and constant change.
Energized by always-moving Mangala, men and women who are born with Chandra in Bhava-8 are much constrained emotionally by Shani's strictures; thus they have characteristically little patience with fear and often blast through (Kuja) the walls of social taboo.
Chandra-8 healing= need to be surrounded by healers. If the native becomes a professional healer, or is born into a lineage of physicians, this need can be met by friendly association. Yet the default path is to experience ongoing psycho-somatic illness, which attracts physicians of all traditions, who may give conflicting medical advice. Karaka for iatrogenic disease.
Chandra-8 = a deep intuitive attraction to medical healing esp. surgery, but one must be cautious to obtain the proper training and comprehend the rational element of medicine.
The training issue is always a concern with 8th-house graha because Bhava-8 is the house of loss of the temple, which means that the native does not have direct access to the conventional university or priestly lineage training. There is a need to psychically attract a non-traditional teacher or guru.
Most of the negative implications are cancelled if Chandra = L-12. For Simha lagna, Moon in Bhava-8 is a beneficial placement esp. for a trained physician..
Disagreement, disappointment, emotional servitude
When Chandra occupies Bhava-8, the most difficult house emotionally becomes 6th-from-8th = Tanu bhava = physical body, social personality, fleshly appearance.
Bhava-1 may become the site of affective difficulties due to disagreements within one's own body and regarding one's social personality. The native is rarely comfortable (Chandra) in one's own body, and emotionally-based disease conditions which manifest in the flesh body may be difficult to understand because of their "secret" psycho-emotional causes rooted in Chandra-8.
During its Vimshottari periods, the lagnesha may produce conditions of emotional servitude.
|Mother (Soma)|| |
The man will experience his mother as a sexual person much earlier than children normally notice. He sees her powers because he is psychically attuned to secret powers at birth, and the first power he notices is in the aura of the mother.
The mother may have lovers or the parents are not afraid to show the child some of their sexual energy. (BTW this Moon does not indicate child abuse, rather it signifies child's heightened magical awareness.)
The child gains early knowledge of sexual healing and the cycle of birth and death; having this knowledge, one both loves and fears women.
Chandra-8 is perhaps the most difficult placement for Soma.
Chandra-6 = an ill mother or one trapped in poverty or servitude;
Chandra-12 gives a distant mother or one hidden from view .
Chandra-8 can produce a mother who is unpredictable and subject to sudden, catastrophic change of personality.
being absorptive, Chandra-yuti a strong L-8 has similar effects to Chandra-as-randhrapathi
Joint Assets of Marriage:
females contribute wealth into the joint accounts. Both native and spouse have an emotional predisposition to build financial security for the marriage.
Moon gives the reflection of other strong graha. Depends entirely on Chandra's house and the L-8.
Often the child becomes so habituated to sudden and violent changes in relationships that according to deep expectations they act preemptively sabotage their unions, causing a chronic cycle of intense desire for nurturing followed by catastrophic breakups.
Chandra-8 tends to develop secretive relationship patterns -- relationships both to people and to money.
Women are often attracted to a man with Chandra-8, because he seems to have secret or tantric healing empowerments.
When Chandra occupies Bhava-8, 7th-from-Chandra becomes Bhava-2. The spouse is highly acquisitive, and may be focused on continuing a family lineage of financial wealth , historical knowledge or other values.
Chandra-8 = is more concerned with matters of confidential transactions, emergencies, hidden wealth, or secret initiations; whereas the spouse is grounded in tangible values, ideally a large hoard of material assets. Both spouses are concerned with developing wealth, therefore this is likely to be a materially wealthy couple.
| Life span = generally the life-extent of Chandra-8 is rather short unless other graha can extend it. || |
However, Chandra-8 nativities may be somewhat longer-living if change-resistor Shani casts drishti into randrasthana.
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Circumstances of death are highly emotionalized, and attachment to those left behind remains strong. the native will be long cherished by loved ones; a secret bond persists.
Longevity: slightly reduced overall.
Circumstances of Death: sudden, perhaps by the hand of family members or countrymen. By water, chilling (most typically in old age via pneumonia). With Kuja, by drowning. Outcome depends significantly on the L-8.
In-Laws: strong emotional connection to the spouse's family.
Inheritance and Insurance settlements:: considerable profit from hidden resources
Taxes: not a burden.
Access to Secret Knowledge: strong intuition leads the native to detect the content of hidden affairs.. Emotional proclivity to become surreptitiously involved in the affairs of others. Whatever the external reasoning, there is an emotional need to pursue tantric relationships.
|Mind (Chandra)|| |
Chandra-8 personalities may be exceptionally moody. Hormone cycles on a wide pendulum swing. Also true of the mother.
Healing Skills: capability for emotional healing. Touch-healer.
Catastrophic Changes: subject to massive changes in the emotional character, depending on L-8
Behari says that Makara Chandra in randhra bhava intensifies the psychological problems associated with a sudden rise from obscurity to glory:
"There may be some psychological problems presenting material temptations.
You will be intensely interested in the mystical side of life, but interest will be primarily guided by the desire to acquire personal glory.
You will succeed in attaining goals, perhaps so suddenly that you will be surprised. ...."
Matri-karaka in bhava-8
Chandra's basic instinct is to soothe, to nurture, to ground, to protect. Yet in randhrasthana, the parental sheltering instincts suffer constant upheaval. Often the backstory includes a disruptive, unstable, and unpredictable mother who was nevertheless a capable healer.
Unless the Moon's ruler is anchored in a kendra and strong via rashi, and Chandra occupies a very hospitable rashi, such a mother may not have been supported with professional education so that her healing instincts may have run amok.
If Chandra's planetary support is steady however, mom may be a surgeon, psychiatrist, midwife, deep healer, vulcanist, seismologist, manager of highly confidential or dangerous information, a scientist handling explosives, hazardous materials specialist, or other respected professional charged with social responsibility for managing rapid change and transformation under life-threatening conditions.
Mother has some clandestine or occult (8) behaviors which do not however harm the native's public dignity since 8 = gainful 11th from 10th. In fact as a consequence of learning to respond to an unpredictable Mother, the native's own emotional affinity for sudden change and crisis can easily provide a basis for earnings in professions that require emotionally sensitive intervention such as emergency counseling.
On the plus side, mother may be a gifted healer using confidential methods.
Chandra, which is the emotional foundation of life, is subject to constant disasters of psycho-emotional earthquake, flood, and fire. The physical security may be adequately protective (not always) but the emotional security is likely to fluctuate considerably due to the suddenly changing moods of the Mother.
Mother of Chandra-8 = characteristically secretive in her behavior. She masks and hides her activities, disguising her relationships and clouding her whereabouts.
Mother is supposed to be the soul of reliability and routine - the very ground of one's stable existence.
It can be very difficult for a child to have a mother who is so volatile and changeable in their affections.
Disagreement, disappointment, emotional servitude =
The flesh-body Bhava-1 = 6th-from-Chandra
Body-image, musculature, identity-appearance, vitality fluctuation, and discomfort with the physical body can ebb and flow.
| Marriages for Chandra in Bhava-8|
spouse brings forth emotional content of native's bhava-2
first marriage is emotionally triggered and sustained by deep memories of 7th-from-8th = bhava-2:
second marriage is emotionally triggered and sustained by deep memories of 2nd-from-8th = bhava-9:
third marriage is emotionally triggered and sustained by deep memories of 9th-from-5th = bhava-1:
|Das / Bepin Behari comments upon Chandra-8:|| |
"Moon in the 8th house harms the mental composure.
The past is brought to the surface.
... indicates death in a public place, by drowning, ship wreck, road accident, public calamity.
Suffers from different acute and chronic ailments.
8th house indicates death, legacies, interest in occult science, and diseases of the secret parts and generative system .
Dependent on doctors and their medicines.
Poverty may come, but quite intelligent, learned.
You will not have firm livelihood and will be wandering.
Conjugal happiness suffers."
| Q: Dear Barbara, |
Love your website! it's been an anchor for me during my last (long, awful) mahadasha. I have a question for you. I myself offer intuitive, channeled and Vedic astrological readings. I have a Purvashadha moon in the 8th house. I am gifted, but I often wonder about my healing mission, and fear that I may cause more harm than good. Any words of advice?
| A: Namaste, |
Thanks very much for your kind note. I'm delighted to know that you find the website resources useful in your study of the samayavidya.
My only observation would be to ensure that one knows oneself quite well before venturing into the service of helping others to know themselves in a similar fashion. A good deal of meditative reflection should precede any offering within a ministry of service, to ensure that humility and maturity will guide the acts of service.
Whilst a gifted and emotionally penetrating intuitive healer, with insufficient consciousness Chandra-8 can also sink into manipulative psychological interventions and habitual invasion of other people's emotional space.
In other words, the 'wounded healer' Chandra-8 is often a busy-body characterized by frequent emotional polling but little lasting commitment to the healing process.
Chandra-8 needs frequent upsets, upheavals, and shocks to confirm their identity. This need-vibration tends to attract similar matching energy. You attract people who are in significant identity transition, who may be intensely seeking new information about themselves which they need to reconstruct a reinvented self - and quickly! Chandra-8, particularly in any of the purva nakshatra, tends to go early, go quickly, go first - but then flame out, jumping from one emotional moment to the next lacking continuity due to early trauma with a fast-changing, unpredictable mother.
Self-knowledge of one's own wounding and recovery cycle with its frequent eruptions and identity changes is essential before proceeding into the offer to heal others. Be clear on what you can offer (enthusiastic sudden intervention) and what is best left to other healers with different skills (longer term commitments).
Yet the instinct to serve others is a beautiful thing, and with proper cultivation it is usually the best path toward spiritual realization. Chandra-8 tantric healing service can flourish with the proper spiritual guidance. Be sure to check in daily with your guides, ask their help as you move forward in understanding your mission, and most importantly check motivation before jumping into any healing endeavor.
Like a pilot at the aircraft control panel, go through all the motivation checks and double-checks before getting into another person's psycho-emotional space. Be quite sure that you are working for the highest good. However, once the safety check is completed, trust your healing instincts. Wishing you success in your ministry and maturity in your approach to service, Sincerely, BP Lama Jyotisha
|Light-Source-Ptaah|| "Well, you know, everything outside you really is simply a story "out there" for you to come home. |
It does not matter how horrific you judge it to be. All of the stories of your life which recreated and recreated and recreated the pain, are simply that which is to bring you home.
You store it within you
and every time you think you have forgotten,
you build a wall around your heart higher and thicker so that you will not feel anything anymore.
What occurs is that pain you hold within you is what kills you."
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